March 23, 2012 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #862182LogicianParticipant
a) I agree with your reasoning, but there happen to be chashuve poskim who argue.
b) Come on – He was mevatel and bodeik, he’s not oveir anything.March 23, 2012 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #862183
PBA: We don’t sell our real Chametz because we hold that is a Ha’arama that wouldn’t work on a D’oraisa anyway. So we only sell Ta’aroves Chametz, Chametz Nokshah, etc. So if we ever find Chametz on Pesach (and B”H we never have) then we would burn it.March 23, 2012 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #862184
Sam 2: Sure, as long as you write that into the shtar. If you sell “all my chometz,” it will certainly include all your chometz.March 23, 2012 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #862185
PBA: I don’t know what’s in our Shtar but I’m sure it’s fine.March 23, 2012 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #862186
You are sure what is fine?
You are sure that if you find a bottle of whiskey in your garage that you can spill it down the drain, and that you are not stealing from the goy? (whiskey is chametz gamur, right?)
You are sure that your shtar writes out anything which is chametz gamur? What makes you sure of that? My shtar doesn’t. And my rabbi sells chometz both for people who are selling real chometz, and also for people who are not selling real chometz. And has never asked me whether I wanted him to sell all chometz or only non chometz gamur.March 23, 2012 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #862187
PBA: Because my father sells our Chametz (I’m easier; I never own any Chametz) and he knows what he’s doing.March 23, 2012 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #862188sam4321Participant
When one sells his chametz all his chametz belongs to the non jew and if one finds it on chol hamoed he should put it away with his other locked up stuff. If one did not sell his chametz and found then the halacha of burning applies.March 23, 2012 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #862189
Continue. And what makes you certain that he is not also selling any real chometz which he happens to have forgotten about and not found during bedika?
In addition to bitul.
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