What are we asking when we ask whether things have gone too far?

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    The frum community is in crisis. A crisis of constantly questioning whether we are in crisis. My most vivid childhood memories consist of various authority figures questioning, discussing, or ranting about various activities that they viewed as having become trends, and the (potential) negativity of those trends. Our chasunas are too fancy, our music is too loud, our cars are too new, our wines are too old, our children are too overworked, or too lazy, our houses are too big, our yeshivas are too demanding or not demanding enough, we don’t have enough secular studies, or we have too much, we have too many conversations about stuff like this, or perhaps we don’t discuss these things enough.

    In almost all such circumstances, opponents of the activity would concede that there is a justification some portion of the time, and proponents would concede that the activity is ill-advised some proportion of the time. It might even be fair to say, choosing one example, that a third of people would do well to lease a car, a third would be making a big mistake if they leased a car, and a third are in a gray area, and their choice will not have significant consequences.

    In that light, what sort of scenario would need to present itself to warrant a communal discussion about the advisability of the activity? Alternatively, assuming people don’t *really* want to discourage the activity in all circumstances, and kind of concede that some proportion of people who engage in the activity do so justifiably, what is it that these discussers are actually trying to communicate or achieve?

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    Maybe the issue isn’t whether something is too much or too little, justified or not, but rather the need or desire by the authority figures to shape (control??) the discussion and the maskonoh in these communities. And maybe that control is what most of the constituents of those communities want?

    I used to think that desire for control was absolutely wrong and unjustified. Maybe sometimes it is. But often enough people make choices about who they want to be led by and how they want to be led. Especially if that is leading them to a continuing Torahdik life.

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    Yichusdick, that is a terrific point and is fertile ground for discussion. Another point I would raise in connection with it is that eventually you realize that people don’t necessarily want qualified leadership but they want the pretense of qualified leadership.

    For example, maybe the reason CEOs are paid millions of dollars is not because they are the most qualified, they are worth it and nobody else is. Rather, it is important for the success of the company that people believe the CEOs are worth millions of dollars, and are the most and only qualified people. One way to inculcate that belief is to pay the CEO millions of dollars. V’dai lachaki b’remi.

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