What Does Modern Yeshivish Mean?

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  • #593073
    addicted
    Participant

    I heard this term being thrown out there recently.

    Isn’t that an oxymoron?

    #713373
    memo
    Member

    it sounds similar to “frum but with it” yeshivish but not greasy–guessing it means someone who feels connected to a yeshiva and is open-minded

    #713374
    myfriend
    Member

    Someone who got mixed up along the way.

    #713375
    addicted
    Participant

    what’s wrong with plain ole “frum”

    That does not mean you are greasy, and you don’t have to associate yourself with the “yeshivishe” crowd if that’s what you prefer.

    #713376
    amichai
    Participant

    in my understanding its very very long shaitels, very very tight clothing. either long or short. it’s learning in yeshiva, but really wanting olam hazeh.

    #713377
    bombmaniac
    Participant

    a shtarke chofetz chaim bochur 😀

    #713378
    WIY
    Member

    addicted

    You should ask the person who said it what it means because some of these terms are flexible in their translation and mean different things to different people. If you asked me what Yeshivish means, it wont necessarily be the answer you would give me had I asked you.

    #713379
    arc
    Participant

    yeshivish by modern standards.

    #713380
    Sacrilege
    Member

    myfriend

    Means that they can think for themselves.

    #713381
    phrum
    Member

    It’s funny – lately I’ve been using this appellation self-referentially in my head and to my dear friends, but I never saw or heard anyone else use it before!

    #713382
    addicted
    Participant

    sacrilige-

    how does modern yeshivish mean that?

    is it because that’s what you want it to mean?

    Technically speaking, you would probably define yeshivish as not thinking as an individual, so why does putting the term modern in front change anything.

    If anything, it’s people who can’t think for themselves and act in a manner not endorsed by the Torah.

    So you are mixing the negative of both terms together- boy, sounds like a real winner!

    #713383
    WIY
    Member

    addicted

    Like I said it means something else to everyone….

    #713384
    myfriend
    Member

    addicted – sac is anti-yeshivish, so she assigned that nice description to something she relates to better.

    #713385
    addicted
    Participant

    WIY- which is the exact reason why I dislike all these terms. When someone calls me for information about a friend and asks me to describe her in one of these ways, I first ask the person what it means to them, so I know were they are coming from. I think certain terms are complimentary, but apparently others do not feel the same way.

    #713386
    Homeowner
    Member

    Learn in Yeshiva. Drink coffee at Starbucks. 🙂

    #713387
    Sacrilege
    Member

    myfriend

    Please let me know where I can send the check now that you appointed yourself my spokesperson.

    I am not anti-Yeshivish. Hey, if it works for you, knock yourself out. Personally, I think all the “shtick” that has unfortunately become a part of “being Yeshivish” is what turned me off of the idea all together. I am not interested in being associated with an elitist “club” where if you show an iota of individuality, they have a name for you, you are branded and arent accepted. I believe most of my hashkafos are rooted in that of “Yeshivish” I just do away with all the pretenses.

    That is what Modern Yeshivish means to me.

    #713388
    phrum
    Member

    Sacrilege

    So, modern yeshivish girl, how do we get to know one another’s individuality?

    #713389
    addicted
    Participant

    Sacrilige:

    You claim you are not anti yeshivish, yet your comments obviously prove otherwise.

    What did they ever do to you- steal your firstborn?

    #713390
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Hey every community and group has its rules. If you are MO and you start doing certain things they will call you a right winger….

    Get with reality you want to be part of the Yeshivish velt you have to toe their line. You cant say “Im Yeshivish” and go and do unYeshivish things and not expect fallout.

    #713391

    modern-belonging to the modern era/of or relating to recent times or the present

    yeshivish-anyone who is yeshivish, wtvr that means.

    hence modern yeshivish means anyone who is yeshivish living in the present.

    #713392

    “Yehivash” is a modern concept; its definition is merely cultural, and it’s hardly defined or has any meaning by the Torah. I don’t think the Chofetz Chaim or Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l even understood what the word yeshivash means. IMO, the yeshivash concept/culture should be abolished from this world, and the Yiddishkeit spectrum should be merely defined as Frum, very Frum, extremely frum etc.

    #713393
    Helpful
    Member

    Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.

    #713394
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    I believe its the narrow minded people such as yourself that focus on the minutia rather than the whole person that gets to me. Any other questions?

    WIY

    Which is why I took the liberty of placing a “modern” and put it before “Yeshivish” and now I have my own neat little category, so no one is offended.

    #713395
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Rav Moshe in teshuvos used the lashon of “Yerayim” for those who fear Hashem. I try to use it as well.

    May we all be Zoche to Yiras Hashem.

    #713396

    Helpful: Frum Jews should have ‘actions’ to identify themselves with, like limud hatorah and maasim tovim. For one to need to identify him/her self with this so called ‘yeshivish culture’, shows a real lack of ‘pnimiyus’ and hence nothing ‘real’ to identify themselves with.

    #713397
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    But your vitriol towards Yeshivish people is unwarranted. You sound like a vegetarian who eats chicken and still wants to be called a vegetarian and when you are called on it you say “but I didn’t eat meat” and blame the vegetarians for not being openminded towards your “individuality.”

    #713398
    WIY
    Member

    Helpful

    Totally ridiculous idea. Abolish all titles, no Rabbi no Gabbai no nothing everyone should just be called person. Titles serve an important purpose.

    #713399
    addicted
    Participant

    Sacrilige-

    I’m not sure what I said that led you to believe that I am narrow minded. You claim that you don’t like people who categorize others and judge them, but is that not what you yourself just did?

    Hmmmm… I sense a double standard here

    Also, I am glad that you take the credit for coining this phrase, but I believe that others use it to describe themselves as well, people who I am not sure you would agree with their hashkafos or lifestyle.

    #713400
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Please dont put words into my mouth. I have no problem with Yeshivish people. I have a problem with the “system”, if you cant differentiate that, thats your problem not mine.

    #713401
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Well, yeshivish is a modern movement, and it has been getting more extreme (used in a non-derogatory way) as time passes.

    Therefore, modern yeshivish would differentiate from older yeshivish, in being more yeshivish. I would say modern yeshivish is the most right wing parts of lakewood.

    #713402
    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Does anybody know what “Modern Chareidi Zionist” means?

    #713403
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    You can have problems with the system and still be a part of it.

    Theres no need to distance yourself from a system or group because things arent 100% perfect. Im sure many of the people who are high up in the system agree that the system has problems, that doesnt mean they will throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    #713404
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    Take a step back, and re-read your posts. Just because we disagree on a different issue, doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against you. When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.

    Additionally, I never claimed to coin the phrase. If you’ll re-read my previous post, all I said is I take the liberty of putting the word modern in front of Yeshivish. Meaning, that I can alter being from one category and now belong in another category. Also, you will note that the OP’s question is What Does Yeshivish Mean? All I did was answer it according to my definition, no need to make it personal.

    #713406
    Sacrilege
    Member

    SZ

    I would argue the opposite. Someone who doesnt feel the need to “act and dress” Yeshivish but hashkafically is close to or on par with the Yeshivish mentality.

    #713408
    bpt
    Participant

    As a “modern yeshivish” person, the definition I feel that first me is someone who is learned enough to push the outer limits of halacha, without going over the edge

    #713409
    addicted
    Participant

    Sacrilige:

    I never viewed this exchange as personal. I tend not to get insulted by people who post on an internet forum, whom I have never seen nor spoken to.

    “When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.”

    I disagree with your definition of open mindedness

    People use the term open-minded the wrong way in my opinion. I would define open mindedness as being tolerant of other people’s lifestyles and viewpoints. That being said, if one desires to be considered minded, he or she must not only be tolerant of those that are less religious than them, but also those that are MORE religios than them. Why do we tend to think of it as only a one way street?

    #713410
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    Which is all encompassing in my definition.

    I agree with you it is indeed a two way street.

    #713412
    addicted
    Participant

    Woohoo! Lets mark this day down in history, folks! We agree

    #713413
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    LOL. I find it interesting that just because we dont agree on a certain situation you think that we wouldnt agree on anything else. I would venture to say that we probably agree on many things.

    #713414
    addicted
    Participant

    sacrilige-

    out of curiosity, what makes you think that?

    #713415
    mghanooni
    Member

    I don’t like name tags. They are judgmental and lead to L”H.

    #713416
    Helpful
    Member

    Should we all go by a number instead?

    #713417
    Yanky55
    Member

    On a popular frum dating site they have labels that you can use to describe yourself. One of these labels is Yeshivish Modern. I also wondered what that meant.

    Here is how one woman described it:

    “I embrace a Torah lifestyle with a professional secular career”

    #713418
    Helpful
    Member

    So then what is modern orthodox?

    #713419
    tzippi
    Member

    To PY: No, but it would make an excellent name for an rock band.

    #713420
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    You have no idea how much I hate these labels and the threads about them. Perhaps that’s why I refuse to label myself.

    Gave my (unasked for) two cents. (Yes, I know that that’s one of the shiva d’varim b’golem…)

    Carry on.

    The Wolf

    #713421
    Yanky55
    Member

    Good question, Helpful…..

    #713422
    Helpful
    Member

    IOW it is the same thing.

    #713423
    eclipse
    Member

    hi i just got a netbook and found this thread.forget the labels:just make sure the person is sincere and consistent.a guy learning in kollel for years and then a magid shiur for years wih a full beard – if he’s missing emes and the yiras shomayim is worse than modern ANYthing.whatever you call yourself or whatever you want others to see you as:be honest and remember not to make up your own rules.

    #713424
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    Single Frum female girls?

    Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.

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