November 17, 2010 1:10 am at 1:10 am #593073
I heard this term being thrown out there recently.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?November 17, 2010 1:59 am at 1:59 am #713373memoMember
it sounds similar to “frum but with it” yeshivish but not greasy–guessing it means someone who feels connected to a yeshiva and is open-mindedNovember 17, 2010 2:02 am at 2:02 am #713374myfriendMember
Someone who got mixed up along the way.November 17, 2010 2:35 am at 2:35 am #713375
what’s wrong with plain ole “frum”
That does not mean you are greasy, and you don’t have to associate yourself with the “yeshivishe” crowd if that’s what you prefer.November 17, 2010 2:41 am at 2:41 am #713376amichaiParticipant
in my understanding its very very long shaitels, very very tight clothing. either long or short. it’s learning in yeshiva, but really wanting olam hazeh.November 17, 2010 2:51 am at 2:51 am #713377bombmaniacParticipant
a shtarke chofetz chaim bochur 😀November 17, 2010 3:16 am at 3:16 am #713378
You should ask the person who said it what it means because some of these terms are flexible in their translation and mean different things to different people. If you asked me what Yeshivish means, it wont necessarily be the answer you would give me had I asked you.November 17, 2010 3:31 am at 3:31 am #713379arcParticipant
yeshivish by modern standards.November 17, 2010 3:36 am at 3:36 am #713380
Means that they can think for themselves.November 17, 2010 4:30 am at 4:30 am #713381phrumMember
It’s funny – lately I’ve been using this appellation self-referentially in my head and to my dear friends, but I never saw or heard anyone else use it before!November 17, 2010 4:32 am at 4:32 am #713382
how does modern yeshivish mean that?
is it because that’s what you want it to mean?
Technically speaking, you would probably define yeshivish as not thinking as an individual, so why does putting the term modern in front change anything.
If anything, it’s people who can’t think for themselves and act in a manner not endorsed by the Torah.
So you are mixing the negative of both terms together- boy, sounds like a real winner!November 17, 2010 4:37 am at 4:37 am #713383
Like I said it means something else to everyone….November 17, 2010 4:37 am at 4:37 am #713384myfriendMember
addicted – sac is anti-yeshivish, so she assigned that nice description to something she relates to better.November 17, 2010 4:50 am at 4:50 am #713385
WIY- which is the exact reason why I dislike all these terms. When someone calls me for information about a friend and asks me to describe her in one of these ways, I first ask the person what it means to them, so I know were they are coming from. I think certain terms are complimentary, but apparently others do not feel the same way.November 17, 2010 4:59 am at 4:59 am #713386HomeownerMember
Learn in Yeshiva. Drink coffee at Starbucks. 🙂November 17, 2010 5:17 am at 5:17 am #713387
Please let me know where I can send the check now that you appointed yourself my spokesperson.
I am not anti-Yeshivish. Hey, if it works for you, knock yourself out. Personally, I think all the “shtick” that has unfortunately become a part of “being Yeshivish” is what turned me off of the idea all together. I am not interested in being associated with an elitist “club” where if you show an iota of individuality, they have a name for you, you are branded and arent accepted. I believe most of my hashkafos are rooted in that of “Yeshivish” I just do away with all the pretenses.
That is what Modern Yeshivish means to me.November 17, 2010 5:24 am at 5:24 am #713388phrumMember
So, modern yeshivish girl, how do we get to know one another’s individuality?November 17, 2010 5:24 am at 5:24 am #713389
You claim you are not anti yeshivish, yet your comments obviously prove otherwise.
What did they ever do to you- steal your firstborn?November 17, 2010 5:35 am at 5:35 am #713390
Hey every community and group has its rules. If you are MO and you start doing certain things they will call you a right winger….
Get with reality you want to be part of the Yeshivish velt you have to toe their line. You cant say “Im Yeshivish” and go and do unYeshivish things and not expect fallout.November 17, 2010 6:16 am at 6:16 am #713391Smile E. FaceMember
modern-belonging to the modern era/of or relating to recent times or the present
yeshivish-anyone who is yeshivish, wtvr that means.
hence modern yeshivish means anyone who is yeshivish living in the present.November 17, 2010 11:54 am at 11:54 am #713392Lomed Mkol AdamMember
“Yehivash” is a modern concept; its definition is merely cultural, and it’s hardly defined or has any meaning by the Torah. I don’t think the Chofetz Chaim or Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l even understood what the word yeshivash means. IMO, the yeshivash concept/culture should be abolished from this world, and the Yiddishkeit spectrum should be merely defined as Frum, very Frum, extremely frum etc.November 17, 2010 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #713393
Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.November 17, 2010 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #713394
I believe its the narrow minded people such as yourself that focus on the minutia rather than the whole person that gets to me. Any other questions?
Which is why I took the liberty of placing a “modern” and put it before “Yeshivish” and now I have my own neat little category, so no one is offended.November 17, 2010 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #713395gavra_at_workParticipant
Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.
Sounds like a plan.
Rav Moshe in teshuvos used the lashon of “Yerayim” for those who fear Hashem. I try to use it as well.
May we all be Zoche to Yiras Hashem.November 17, 2010 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #713396Lomed Mkol AdamMember
Helpful: Frum Jews should have ‘actions’ to identify themselves with, like limud hatorah and maasim tovim. For one to need to identify him/her self with this so called ‘yeshivish culture’, shows a real lack of ‘pnimiyus’ and hence nothing ‘real’ to identify themselves with.November 17, 2010 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #713397
But your vitriol towards Yeshivish people is unwarranted. You sound like a vegetarian who eats chicken and still wants to be called a vegetarian and when you are called on it you say “but I didn’t eat meat” and blame the vegetarians for not being openminded towards your “individuality.”November 17, 2010 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #713398
Totally ridiculous idea. Abolish all titles, no Rabbi no Gabbai no nothing everyone should just be called person. Titles serve an important purpose.November 17, 2010 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #713399
I’m not sure what I said that led you to believe that I am narrow minded. You claim that you don’t like people who categorize others and judge them, but is that not what you yourself just did?
Hmmmm… I sense a double standard here
Also, I am glad that you take the credit for coining this phrase, but I believe that others use it to describe themselves as well, people who I am not sure you would agree with their hashkafos or lifestyle.November 17, 2010 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #713400
Please dont put words into my mouth. I have no problem with Yeshivish people. I have a problem with the “system”, if you cant differentiate that, thats your problem not mine.November 17, 2010 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #713401popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Well, yeshivish is a modern movement, and it has been getting more extreme (used in a non-derogatory way) as time passes.
Therefore, modern yeshivish would differentiate from older yeshivish, in being more yeshivish. I would say modern yeshivish is the most right wing parts of lakewood.November 17, 2010 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #713402Pashuteh YidMember
Does anybody know what “Modern Chareidi Zionist” means?November 17, 2010 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #713403
You can have problems with the system and still be a part of it.
Theres no need to distance yourself from a system or group because things arent 100% perfect. Im sure many of the people who are high up in the system agree that the system has problems, that doesnt mean they will throw out the baby with the bathwater.November 17, 2010 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #713404
Take a step back, and re-read your posts. Just because we disagree on a different issue, doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against you. When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.
Additionally, I never claimed to coin the phrase. If you’ll re-read my previous post, all I said is I take the liberty of putting the word modern in front of Yeshivish. Meaning, that I can alter being from one category and now belong in another category. Also, you will note that the OP’s question is What Does Yeshivish Mean? All I did was answer it according to my definition, no need to make it personal.November 17, 2010 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #713406
I would argue the opposite. Someone who doesnt feel the need to “act and dress” Yeshivish but hashkafically is close to or on par with the Yeshivish mentality.November 17, 2010 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #713408bptParticipant
As a “modern yeshivish” person, the definition I feel that first me is someone who is learned enough to push the outer limits of halacha, without going over the edgeNovember 17, 2010 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #713409
I never viewed this exchange as personal. I tend not to get insulted by people who post on an internet forum, whom I have never seen nor spoken to.
“When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.”
I disagree with your definition of open mindedness
People use the term open-minded the wrong way in my opinion. I would define open mindedness as being tolerant of other people’s lifestyles and viewpoints. That being said, if one desires to be considered minded, he or she must not only be tolerant of those that are less religious than them, but also those that are MORE religios than them. Why do we tend to think of it as only a one way street?November 17, 2010 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #713410
Which is all encompassing in my definition.
I agree with you it is indeed a two way street.November 17, 2010 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #713412
Woohoo! Lets mark this day down in history, folks! We agreeNovember 17, 2010 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #713413
LOL. I find it interesting that just because we dont agree on a certain situation you think that we wouldnt agree on anything else. I would venture to say that we probably agree on many things.November 18, 2010 3:09 am at 3:09 am #713414
out of curiosity, what makes you think that?November 18, 2010 6:32 am at 6:32 am #713415mghanooniMember
I don’t like name tags. They are judgmental and lead to L”H.November 18, 2010 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #713416
Should we all go by a number instead?November 18, 2010 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #713417Yanky55Member
On a popular frum dating site they have labels that you can use to describe yourself. One of these labels is Yeshivish Modern. I also wondered what that meant.
Here is how one woman described it:
“I embrace a Torah lifestyle with a professional secular career”November 18, 2010 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #713418
So then what is modern orthodox?November 18, 2010 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #713419tzippiMember
To PY: No, but it would make an excellent name for an rock band.November 18, 2010 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #713420WolfishMusingsParticipant
You have no idea how much I hate these labels and the threads about them. Perhaps that’s why I refuse to label myself.
Gave my (unasked for) two cents. (Yes, I know that that’s one of the shiva d’varim b’golem…)
The WolfNovember 18, 2010 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #713421Yanky55Member
Good question, Helpful…..November 18, 2010 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #713422
IOW it is the same thing.November 18, 2010 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #713423eclipseMember
hi i just got a netbook and found this thread.forget the labels:just make sure the person is sincere and consistent.a guy learning in kollel for years and then a magid shiur for years wih a full beard – if he’s missing emes and the yiras shomayim is worse than modern ANYthing.whatever you call yourself or whatever you want others to see you as:be honest and remember not to make up your own rules.November 18, 2010 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #713424
Single Frum female girls?
Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.
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