August 2, 2017 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1331021
2scents -“being that you present yourself as someone of medical authority why not disclose what credentials you have?”
Why should I? One thing I’ll tell you – I’m not an eye doctor.
“No one wants your help, not for pay or for free. You have displayed nothing but your silliness.”
That’s right – no one on Hatzolah of Monsey wants anyone’s help.
You don’t want my help because I’d charge you.
But what about all the guys that were begging to join H of Monsey – they were offering their services for free?
Did you read the Editorial about Monsey?
I think you even posted on it but with a different SN.
I only use one SN!August 2, 2017 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #1331065teebee48Participant
Health, I don’t think you are anything close to a medical professional. You seem to have lots of time on your hands even answering yeshiva world CR posts sometimes within minutes, and your constant tit for tat and bashing definitely doesn’t make me believe otherwise
You seem to have an agenda and a mission, come out and show us your name, your face, and some gutsAugust 2, 2017 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1331111ConcernedMemberParticipant
“Health” has expressed a distaste for Hatzolah as far back as I can remember. Chances are I probably interacted with him on my old forum as well but that was a lifetime ago.
Honestly, my own feelings aside, I don’t think that the best place to discuss these issues is an anonymous forum. There are far too many complexities in these cases that really don’t mix so well with the nature of a forum such as this one. There are privacy laws to protect the patient. There should be a healthy (no pun intended, buddy) amount of respect for first responders of any organization. And there should also be an understanding that if you personally were not at the scene there might be details that you don’t know.
Monday morning quarterbacking doesn’t really do anyone any good. I believe that if someone was on the scene, or has direct firsthand knowledge that actions performed by members of an organization were inappropriate, there are ways to get your message to that organization.
It’s been a long time since I’ve commented about an issue like this, but I still firmly believe that those who dedicate their time to helping others deserve the benefit of the doubt, whether it’s Hatzolah, Ezras Nashim or anyone else. If the goal is to help them improve, or to prevent a problem from happening again… there are better ways to do it.August 2, 2017 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #1331132
TB48 – “Health, I don’t think you are anything close to a medical professional. You seem to have lots of time on your hands even answering yeshiva world CR posts sometimes within minutes, and your constant tit for tat and bashing definitely doesn’t make me believe otherwise”
Says who? You?
I love these guys that come out of the woodwork.
Hey Mister – ever hear of retirement?
Did you finish High School yet?
“You seem to have an agenda and a mission, come out and show us your name, your face, and some guts”
Like the old saying – you first!
Unless you’re scared.August 2, 2017 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #1331135
CM -“Chances are I probably interacted with him on my old forum as well but that was a lifetime ago.”
And what was that? I only posted on one or two other places years ago.August 2, 2017 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1331152GadolhadorahParticipant
After reading 150+ postings on this issue, I still come down on the side of those who believe that there are no legitimate reasons under Halacha or practicality that women cannot function as first responders other then gender bias or simple ignorance. Nationally, nearly half of new hires by the nation’s leading first responder paramedic and medical response teams are women. With proper training, women can do the job as well or better than men. I’m not talking about those responsible for rescuing vicitims from a crushed car or carrying the victim down three flights of stairs….just those providing emergency medical care.August 2, 2017 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1331160
GHadorah, are they going to wear a skirt or pants when being a first responder?August 2, 2017 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #1331210teebee48Participant
Health – I wish you the best of luckAugust 3, 2017 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1331536
TB48 -“Health – I wish you the best of luck”
Typical response from a high school kid.August 3, 2017 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm #1331545PosterGirlParticipant
Health, I really admire your persistence, although I think it could be used for bigger things.
Wow, you just don’t give up standing up for what you believe in!August 3, 2017 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #1331550Avram in MDParticipant
Can you articulate what Health is “standing up for”?August 3, 2017 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1331564PosterGirlParticipant
Weeeell…..he is standing up for what he believes, I guess.
although I TOTALLY disagree
I think hatzoloh is an amazing organization and I have been personally impressed with their work many times when I watched them in action.
BTW, I am not a good person to argue with, I am usually too busy to keep checking responses.August 3, 2017 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1331600apushatayidParticipant
What does Health believe? i’,m not sure I can figure it out and Ive been following this thread for way longer.August 3, 2017 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #1331869ChayaGuest
Please spread the word.
“כל המציל נפש אחת כאילו הציל עולם ומלואו”
We had a terrible experience when our neighbors redid their floors and applied this toxic chemical “moisture cure” for three days. I was in my ninth month then, and I started feeling extremely sick and weak. I literally felt the sharp smell entering my lungs. After I called my husband in a panic that I couldn’t breathe, he rushed home. By the time he arrived, I wasn’t focused anymore. I felt like I swimming in a pool of water. My husband called Hatzolah (Jewish EMS), and the paramedics arrived. In the ambulance, I was already unconscious. When they wheeled me into the hospital I started hemorrhaging badly. To make a long story short, we lost our fully developed baby. When I woke up and learned what had happened, I couldn’t stop crying. My husband said to me, “Don’t cry. I am dancing and full of gratitude to see that my dear wife is alive.”
Chaya We.. Brooklyn, NYAugust 3, 2017 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1332468
Chaya – “To make a long story short, we lost our fully developed baby.”
Sorry for your loss!August 3, 2017 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1332497ChayaGuest
Hatzolah safed my life, when “Moisture Cure” was the cause to the loss of our fully developed baby..March 25, 2018 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1497975
Now Ezras Nashim is coming out with a movie to complain about hatzolah and chassidic community in general, r”l. It’s time to put a stop to this, if these women want to break all boundaries of tznius, they shouldn’t be allowed to be a part of the Jewish community especially not the chassidish onesMarch 25, 2018 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1497990
The video directly attacks Hatzalah and Rabbonim. It is narrated by the head of the Ezras Noshim. It also mocks tznius and Jewish tradition in generalMarch 25, 2018 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1498005
Are two movies coming out? The one I saw does known of the things you claimed it does.March 25, 2018 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1498019Reb EliezerParticipant
I, living in Staten Island, was taking on the phone to my mother, living in Boro Park, erev Yom Kippur in the afternoon. The phone went dead. Recognizing that something is wrong, I called Hatzalah. They went out and found that my mother slipped on a carpet.March 25, 2018 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1498022
Does anyone think there’s anyone crazy enough to call Ezras Noshim instead of Hatzalah in c”v a potentially life threatening labor situation?March 25, 2018 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #1498034Eli YParticipant
Lask: I am pleased to hear your mother is alright–Praise Hashem and thank the Almighty for the brave folks of Hatzalah around the world. May their reward be great!March 25, 2018 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1498040
kj – “Now Ezras Nashim is coming out with a movie to complain about hatzolah and chassidic community in general”
Where can I watch this video? I came here to defend EN. Now I’d like to see this video myself; unless I should just believe your & Joes’ posts?!? LOL!!!March 25, 2018 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1498055yitzchokmParticipant
Health, you’ll defend anyone who’s against Hatzlah.
Sour grapes, youMarch 26, 2018 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1498059
Let’s leave hatzolah out of it for a moment, just for “chassidish” women to go make a movie for goiyishe audiences besides for the chillul Hashem it causes by mocking hatzolah and Jewish culture, a act completely against the Torah. It’s time to expose group for what it really is a bunch of feminists using the boro park community for there advantage, and boro park lets it happenMarch 26, 2018 12:02 am at 12:02 am #1498060
YM -“Health, you’ll defend anyone who’s against Hatzlah.
Sour grapes, you”
I didn’t come here to bash Hatzola, but unfortunely this topic was started to bash EN!
Stop with your hypocrisy!
This was my first post on this topic:
“Why do you make an assumption & ask it in the CR?
If it’s true, ask the leadership of EN, not the CR! I smell an agenda!”March 26, 2018 9:01 am at 9:01 am #1498160
Can you provide some detail?
I can’t say I read every comment as there are currently 175 comments here. But I did scan them and I am quite curious.
In what way is Hatzola so bad?
Maybe I’m naive. But I always thought the purpose of that organization is to be first responders to medical emergencies.
Unfortunately I have had many occasions to need them between me and my extended family. Every time they arrived speedily, a few times even before I hung up the phone!!
They were always courteous and professional.
So what exactly is the issue with them that is giving you such grief??
I hope it’s not and issue of say, mismanaging funds or the like. Because to that I would say ”who cares? ” nobody forces me to give them a dime. They will respond just the same to a supporter as they would to you. If I felt they were mismanaging the money I just would not donate.
If it’s internal politics, such as promotions or the like, what do I care? I am not a member anyway. It doesn’t hurt me. So what exactly is the issue that has you so enraged that you consistently smash them here?
I am quite curious.
Looking forward to your well reasoned responseMarch 26, 2018 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1498273
Joe -“Does anyone think there’s anyone crazy enough to call Ezras Noshim instead of Hatzalah in c”v a potentially life threatening labor situation?”
Your posts are getting funnier by the minute! Tell me – is Labor a life-threatening situation in most cases?!?March 26, 2018 11:18 am at 11:18 am #1498268
ky -“Can you provide some detail?”
It’s very hard to answer your question, because of the negative implications. We are talking about many Issurim. I personally don’t call Hatzolah, in most cases. I call EMS. I grant you H has a quick response, but that is only a Small part of EMS!March 26, 2018 11:54 am at 11:54 am #1498323NOYBParticipant
Health, what exactly is your gripe with hatzala? I don’t really care if you dislike them, I’m just wondering why.March 26, 2018 11:55 am at 11:55 am #1498325
“We are talking about many Issurim”
do you mean lashon hara?
because detailed information would possiblyn mitigate that
whereas plain negativity is simply lashon hara with no redeeming qualities
“Tell me – is Labor a life-threatening situation in most cases?!?”
um,, yes. chazal seemed to think so. thats why you can always be mechallel shabos and why she is MICHUYAV to eat on yom kippurMarch 26, 2018 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1498338
NOYB -“Health, what exactly is your gripe with hatzala? I don’t really care if you dislike them, I’m just wondering why”
Are you Joe? I thought that they warned you about multiple SN’s?!?March 26, 2018 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1498361
klugeryid -“health do you mean lashon hara?
because detailed information would possiblyn mitigate that
whereas plain negativity is simply lashon hara with no redeeming qualities”
NO! Machlokes. I guess you are Not like your SN!
“um,, yes. chazal seemed to think so.”
I wasn’t talking LeHalacha. This isn’t a Halacha Forum. And btw, with Shabbos, YK, Etc., you have to be Meiat. It’s not a clear cut Chillul Shabbos like a heart attack!
And anyways I was talking according to medicine.
BTW, are you a Hatzola member?March 26, 2018 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1498396Reb EliezerParticipant
Thank you Eli Y. My mother was helped then by Hatzalah. She passed away more than 12 years ago at 93.March 26, 2018 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1498803
“We are talking about many Issurim. ”
that would indicate lashon hara
machlokes is only one issur.
so badmouthing a group of jews without providing any bacground of facts is not fomenting machlokes?
you have to be mimaet by every medical emergency. whats your point.
no i am not a member of hatzolahMarch 26, 2018 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1498881
ky -“that would indicate lashon hara
machlokes is only one issur.”
It’s not the first time I discussed H in the CR, so continuing with this discussion is making more Issurim!
“so badmouthing a group of jews without providing any bacground of facts is not fomenting machlokes?”
It was for a Toileles. Providing more info – is just getting more response from them & their supporters.March 26, 2018 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #1498902
How can badmouthing someone without giving any info be toeles?
a little respect for the readership hereMarch 26, 2018 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1498926NOYBParticipant
Health- I’m not anyone. This is my only screen name, which I think the mods can verify. I really want to know, what’s your issue with hatzalah?March 26, 2018 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1498927
Your all missing the point, its completely assur for a jewish woman to act in a movie which will be viewed by menMarch 26, 2018 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1498948
2scents -“You have no clue who I am”
I have question to you! Did you ever get on Hatzola of Monsey or not?March 26, 2018 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1498968
Ky -“a little respect for the readership here”
NOYB -” I really want to know, what’s your issue with hatzalah?”
I discussed this already many times. In this topic & a topic called “Hatzola”, and elsewhere in the CR of YWN. I see No point in rehashing time after time!March 26, 2018 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1498995ConcernedMemberParticipant
“I see No point in rehashing time after time!”
I think many of us wish you would have said that years ago.March 26, 2018 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1499183
There is no movie, nobody is actingMarch 26, 2018 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1499181
”I discussed this already many times. In this topic …”
Really? I just scrolled through all your comments on this thread. There is not a single one there that provides any reasoning or facts to back up your open animosity to Hatzola.
Just sayingMarch 26, 2018 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1498930
“In the Hasidic community there’s a huge divide between the genders,” explains Rachel “Ruchie” Freier in our exclusive trailer for “the movie.” “I’m being told that it’s not right for Jewish girls to become EMTs.” But the lawyer doesn’t listen to those who try to convince her that “when it comes to speed and strength, men are superior.” She and other women in her Brooklyn neighborhood are ready to dismantle the “boys’ club.”
Directed by Paula Eiselt, the upcoming documentary sees
the underdogs defying expectations and odds to create Ezras Nashim, the first all-female volunteer ambulance corps in New York City.
This is a review of the film by a movie company r”l
I took out the name of the movie in order not to be nichshal other yidden.March 26, 2018 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1499154yitzchokmParticipant
I received this message from a trusted source, but I can’t vouch for the authenticy of it.
A documentary film 93QUEEN is being released covering the story of Ezras Nashim.
The filming began more than 5 years ago when a frum female filmmaker pursued me to allow her to create a positive film depicting Chassidic women with a mission of modesty, who struggle for change. I consulted with Rabbonim and lawyers, confirming our intent to create a Kiddush Hashem in the media.
While I was assured I would have the opportunity to review and edit the film, due to a misunderstanding, the trailer and final version of the film was not in my control.
Yet, it is my fervent hope and prayer that 93QUEEN will be Mekadesh Sheym Shomayim….Rabbos Machshovos B’Lev Eesh….While people plan…. only HaShem’s will prevails.
Ruchie FreierMarch 26, 2018 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1499195
Yes I’m familiar with it
It is very inspiring . you dont have to convince us.
that said it isnt really a movie it is adocumentary nobody is “Acting” it isnt different thn a woman spekaing which while you amy not like it when women speak let alone become EMT’s., neither of those are “completely assur”March 26, 2018 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1499197
KY -“Really? I just scrolled through all your comments on this thread. There is not a single one there that provides any reasoning or facts to back up your open animosity to Hatzola.
First of all, post to me with your other SN, so I know who you really are.
Reasoning is in this post:
Facts are irrevelant to guys like you!March 26, 2018 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1499198
kj -“Your all missing the point, its completely assur for a jewish woman to act in a movie which will be viewed by men”
It’s documentary, not a movie!
And being on the internet is more Osser!
“But the lawyer doesn’t listen to those who try to convince her that “when it comes to speed and strength, men are superior.”
That theory was thrown out when the Fire Depts. started to take in Women.March 26, 2018 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1499207
Call it what you want it’s still ossur, as for the rabbinical endorsements I imagine these are the same rabbonim from the Shabbos app who weren’t able to release there names
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