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  • #1939812
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Ywnjudy – not sure what you mean. I didn’t read his post and wasn’t responding to him.

    #1939952
    Health
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    YwnJudy -“Smerel & Health, i seriously annoint both of you to preside over the Supreme Court. That would endow it with a burst of fresh air.”

    Thank you for the compliment!
    Btw, the Goyishe prophets say 2 will step down because they were part of the Insurection against Trump.

    To e/o: Don’t reply to me – I don’t claim to be a prophet – go to their Websites.

    #1940426
    ywnjudy
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    My response is – firstly, everyone knows Trump shoots from the hip, and that his language is far from polished, which i can very much relate to, as i’m far from being the world’s most polished orator myself. I saw a transcript, and here’s the relevant cross-section:

    Quote:
    But I said something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened. And we fight. We fight like hell.

    And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

    Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun.

    My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children and for our beloved country, and I say this despite all that’s happened, the best is yet to come.

    So we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they’re never voting for anything. Not even one vote — but we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all.

    God bless you. And God bless America. Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.”
    End-Quote

    The way i interpret the above, is that he meant everyone should protest ORALLY with “gevald” in similar fashion as lib’s do, thereby giving Republicans the moral support to take back the country in a constitutional way.

    If you and other lib’s choose to interpret it otherwise, that’s your opinion, but in any case, it’s an insult to imply that people within a crowd don’t have control over their own actions, such as refraining from violence, regardless of what they THINK the president meant.

    Then, as others pointed out, there was the matter of timing, but i’m too bored to research that, so i’ll leave it to you to research the truth about when Trump used the above-pasted words, vis-a-vis when-and-where the storming of the capitol began. It’s enough i pasted the above section of the speech-transcript, and i believe the talk hosts i heard on radio to have said the truth about the timing.

    As for the courts, from what i gather there have been rejections within courts, because there’s major corruption everywhere. Not because the lawsuits didn’t have constitutional validity.

    P.S. taking into account that “lev melochim b’yad Hashem” – perhaps the president’s faux pas both with Covid, and also Jan.6, was middah kneged middah, wherein he stabbed the Kurds in the back, and also didn’t free Pollard sooner, and so he wound up stabbing himself in the back, thru his non-careful choice of words. Mind you, a true narcissist would have been VERY careful to never use wording like that, as they’re very deliberative, very premeditative about making themselves look good.

    P.P.S. I wonder how many of those who label others “conspiratists” are of Hungarian heritage. Specifically, those Hungarians who scoffed when Eastern Europeans warned them of mass genocide. I can just picture the Eastern Europeans being labelled “conspiratists” too!

    #1940427
    ywnjudy
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    Health, yw, and you better believe, all you say doesn’t surprise me.

    #1940436
    ubiquitin
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    Yw

    “The way i interpret the above, is that he meant everyone should protest ORALLY with “gevald” in similar fashion as lib’s do, … If you and other lib’s choose to interpret it otherwise, that’s your opinion,”

    That’s great that you interpret it that way. And as I told DY in a court of law he can probably claim thats what he meant

    But You an I are not the only ones who heard (read) the speech. His supporters many of whom DID FIGHT heard it too. how did THEY interpret it. and is fighting a reasonable interpretation of “go fight” ?

    #1940664
    ywnjudy
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    The burden of proof is [supposed to be] on the accuser, even if there are many these days who seem to favor kangaroo methods. With that said, within the above quote that i posted, where does it state “go fight”? And what about the timing? In unadulterated, dry facts.

    #1940695
    ubiquitin
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    “The burden of proof is [supposed to be] on the accuser,”

    Yes I provided proof. His words that Literally said to “go fight”. that you reinterpret them is without question your right.
    But the proof is there if you want to see it

    In the quote you provided he said “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    Of course there are other quotes as well “Republicans are, Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder.”

    another one

    “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    #1940781
    RatingStheRumpus
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    At 2:30 pm, after the rioters had breached the capitol, Trump tweeted “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to defend the country and the constitution.”

    Trump surely knew that rioters had stormed the capitol, and that Mike Pence was in the building to convene the Senate.

    What was his first instinct? Should he tweet “Get out of the Capitol my crazy supporters, you’re tarnishing my movement?” No, he used the moment to tweet his frustration at Mike Pence doing his constitutional duty.

    He tried to get Pence killed. Indeed, the rioters in the capitol immediately took up chants like “Find Mike Pence!” and even “Hang Mike Pence!” Police shot one rioter rather than let her breach a particular corridor – I wonder who they were protecting down that corridor. It could have been Mike Pence.

    #1940793
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    RTR- sounds like you got some pretty solid proof there. Almost like first hand accountings. Impressive.

    #1940862
    emes nisht sheker
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    Fortunately for us we have a very good idea of how Trump responded to the insurrection riot which he helped incite.

    Was he first on TV telling his supporters to go home… Oh, no, first Biden went on TV and called on him to do his job.

    Was he on twitter right away calling on his supporters to go home… Oh, no, at first he just asked them to not hurt law enforcement officers. I guess Mike Pence and congressmen were fair game though.

    This is a guy, who at any moment would have tweeted any crazy thing he thought up of, but when it came to him doing his duty to help stop this riot, his actions were lacking. That is first-hand knowledge to anyone who followed his twitter account.

    Then of course there are the aides who claim he cheered on the riot and had to be convinced to ask his supporters to go home.

    Fortunately he is no longer President. I wish Biden well. Agree or disagree with his policies, the difference between Biden and Trump, is I believe Biden will put America before his own personal pride. America is not about agreeing on policy, but agreeing on the basics of American Democracy and wanting to make a better society and union.

    #1940918
    RatingStheRumpus
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    ENS, he had four years to tell QAnon followers that their conspiracy theories about him waging a war on satanic pedophiles were wrong, but he never tweeted a word about that…

    #1940999
    Health
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    ENS & RtR – When are you 2 going to get help for your TDS?

    First of all, IDK who started the Capitol Riot – it’s more likely the Left to distract e/o about the Election Fraud.
    There should have been an investigation before any Impeachment. (And Not by the Congress – an Independent one.)
    This is called Democracy.

    2nd, even if Trump should have done better at that time, I don’t see you & any Libs apologizing for at least 3 years of attacking Trump & his followers for a Made Up thing called “Russian Collusion”!

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