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  • #1006443
    Nechomah
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    IS – So in what language do the Reb Ahrelech daaven?

    #1006444
    Avi K
    Participant

    CG, “one of the largest”? Is that like P. T. Barnum’s “world’s tallest midget”? Why isn’t it accepted to go to Chevron? Does your group hold that it belongs to the Arabs? Apparently you have widened yur view to include all of EY.As for me, among my People I sit.

    #1006445
    Avi K
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    Choppy, Ben-Yehuda was not the leader of the Zionists. Different groups had different leaders. Moreover, there is evidence that he did teshuva at the end. He went to ask Rav Kook about the meanings of some words in the Gemara (so we see that Rav Kook helped rejuvenate Hebrew) on an erev Shabbat. Rav Kook told it that it was time for him to do teshuva and he said “maybe”. He died the following day.

    #1006446
    Poster
    Member

    It irks me when I hear the German Language. I live in EY in a neighborhood with many Europeans. The Vienese especially speak German as a first language. When I hear little kids speaking German, it spooks me out!

    Of course, I like English best.

    I must add that I appreciate Yiddish very much since I find it is a language that unites, wherever we come from, there is a common language….

    #1006447
    BTGuy
    Participant

    Worst? Chinese/Japanese/Korean/VietNamese, etc. It sounds like someone is trying to negotiate a very hot lemon in their mouth. But you can add Swedish to that, too. That sounds like someone is playing a tape backwards.

    Best? Hebrew! I love hearing it and looking at the letters. Even the word, “Hebrew”, is a very attractive word; if there can be such a thing. lol

    #1006448
    Avi K
    Participant

    Poster, what about Sepharadim and the Eidot HaMizrach? Hebrew unites all of Am Yisrael.

    #1006449
    TheGoq
    Participant

    My best langauge is pig latin, his tay hread tay is ool cay.

    #1006450
    uneeq
    Member

    MY WORST WORST WORST: French! The language sounds like a bunch of drunk people barfing on each other. I can’t believe that no one has mentioned it. Every time I hear a Jew speaking this language, I get a chance to work on my Ahavas Yisrael.

    Favorites: Piglatin

    Gibberish

    GibLatin- My homemade concoction of Piglatin and gibberish. It is impossible to decode, even for the NSA.

    sdrawkcaB- I have a friend that can speak Backwards in real-time speed. It sounds awesome.

    #1006451
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I must add that I appreciate Yiddish very much since I find it is a language that unites, wherever we come from, there is a common language….

    Sephardim do NOT speak Yiddish

    MY WORST WORST WORST: French! The language sounds like a bunch of drunk people barfing on each other. I can’t believe that no one has mentioned it. Every time I hear a Jew speaking this language, I get a chance to work on my Ahavas Yisrael.

    And what is wrong with a Jew speaking French, France has the larges jewish population in Europe , Belgium has a large chassidic population and I think they speak french there and there is a large jewish population in Quebec and they speak french there.

    French does sound alot better than the language the sounds like German

    #1006452
    choppy
    Participant

    Yiddish is truly a beautiful, unifying, language.

    #1006453

    uneeq- i did mention french. as one of my fave’s tho! and goq- thanks!

    #1006454
    uneeq
    Member

    zahavasdad: There’s nothing wrong with a Jew speaking French. Aside for the fact that French sounds the way it does.

    P.S. My grandfather knows French, but B”H I never heard him speak it.

    #1006455
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Most likely the language your mother spoke to you in , is what you think is the most beautiful language

    #1006456

    “Belgium has a large chassidic population and I think they speak french there”

    Actually in Antwerp, the language is Dutch. (The Belgian version of Dutch is called Flemish – it relates to Dutch Dutch like Australian English relates to US English, meaning you can hear the difference but it’s still obviously the exact same language.) Though the frum community in Antwerp do speak a lot of French as well. But the general language of Antwerp – and the majority of Belgium, known as Flanders – is Dutch. The minority, in the southern part, called Wallonia, is French-speaking.

    #1006457
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Nechomah: Point taken. To be more precise, for political reasons they don’t know it well enough to speak it conversationally. This problem exists across all streams of Jewry — people don’t know our ancestral language well enough to use it. Even moder Hebrew speakers have this problem to some extent because the grammar of modern Hebrew is more like Yiddish than like the Hebrew of Tanach or even that of the Rishonim.

    choppy: Hebrew is more unifying because it is the language of the Torah. Yiddish is only the language of the ashkenazim.

    #1006458
    more_2
    Member

    German is a gorgeous language. Hebrew sounds horrible and cheapened… If pple want to speak a holy language it should be loshan hakodesh.

    #1006459
    oomis
    Participant

    Any language that is spoken too quickly, bothers me. I don’t like hearing Chinese, because of the ups and downs of the inflection. German bothers me from a strictly emotional point of view.

    ARABIC MAKES ME SICK. Period.

    Other than English and Hebrew (or Aramaic, which is beautiful also), my favorite language to hear spoken is Italian, because it is a melodic language, and I agree with “babytalk” because I’d love to hear ANYTHING my new ainekal will babble when he is able. This, above all.

    #1006460
    R.T.
    Participant

    Worst: Swahili. Favorite: Lashon HaKodesh & Aramaic

    #1006461
    choppy
    Participant

    IS: Modern Hebrew is neither the language of the Torah nor unifying, nor, IMHO, any different than Turkish or Farsi – it is the language of a secular culture complete with all those things that we want to stay away from.

    #1006462
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    The Aramaic of the Bavli is an amazing language from a strictly functional standpoint. It was never spoken as an everyday language; it developed for the sole purpose of learning Torah and is still the best language for that purpose.

    #1006463
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    choppy: I said Hebrew. And even modern Hebrew with it’s Yiddish grammar and English loan words is closer to the language of the Torah than either Yiddish or English.

    #1006464
    mdd
    Member

    Itche, you’ll never convince the anti-Zionist fanatics.

    #1006465
    choppy
    Participant

    mdd: He doesn’t have to convince the zionists fanatics; they are already sold.

    #1006466
    more_2
    Member

    Oomis-Any language that is spoken too quickly, bothers me. I don’t like hearing Chinese, because of the ups and downs of the inflection. German bothers me from a strictly emotional point of view.”

    In that case English should bother you too, from an emotional point of view… We are not supposed to feel comfortable in the galus. The war was strictly tad hashem anyone that has anything against Germany, should be against the rest of the world too for not standing up for us! Which shows that they are capable of it too, if Hashemite wants, it can chas veshalom happen snywhere. When we feel too comfortable and too much at peace with the cultures that we are surrounded by… For example the languages…..

    #1006467
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Aramaic is still spoken today in parts of Syria

    #1006468
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    @TCG

    Thanks for the info, I knew that Belgium and The Netherlands were very closely related, I didnt realize that Dutch and Flanders were the same language (Just differnet accent).

    FYI Australian English is not related to American English, its the same language. I think English is the only world language where speakers can understand each other over 95% (There are always local differences like Lift vs Elevator or bathroom vs toilet vs water closet or Soccer vs Football) but you can almost always figure it out fairly quickly

    #1006469
    oomis
    Participant

    “We are not supposed to feel comfortable in the galus”

    Sorry but that has nothing to do with the special quality of gehenom that is Germany vis a vis modern Jewry. While on an esoteric level, you are right, your point does not speak to the issue at hand. I specifically hate hearing German spoken because of negative feelings it evokes. English is the language of the country in which i was born, and I have many happy memories associated with it.

    #1006470
    choppy
    Participant

    Not the same Aramaic as the Gemorah is written in.

    #1006471
    i love coffe
    Participant

    oooh! Whenever I hear Jews speak Arabic it sounds so pretty, but when spoken by Arabs, it sounds plain ugly. I think it’s because there is a different dialect.

    #1006472
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    mdd: I know. The only question is how much of traditional Judaism they’ll sell out for their shita.

    #1006473
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    oooh! Whenever I hear Jews speak Arabic it sounds so pretty, but when spoken by Arabs, it sounds plain ugly. I think it’s because there is a different dialect.

    I know people who Speak Hebrew with an Arabic accent, it very much sounds like the noise you hear coming out of a mosque before prayer time.

    #1006474
    ohr chodesh
    Member

    The tzionim already sold out all of Judaism.

    #1006475
    ohr chodesh
    Member

    Oomis: I suppose you have the same feeling for Italian and the Romans, considering what they did to the Beis Hamikdash and the Jewry they murdered in Yerushalayim.

    #1006476

    whoa i didn’t think this thread would even get past page one! hello, i’m now in skool and EVERYONE AROUND ME SPEAKS RUSSIAN. GGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

    oh and yeah add Hebrew to my faves!

    #1006477
    Avi K
    Participant

    Coffee and Zahava’s Dad, there are two general (each country has its own dialect) types of Arabic: street Arabic and literary Arabic, which is spoken by the elites and is almost unintelligible to the mases (a professor of Arabic went to the Arab market after the Six-Day War and tried to speak to one of the vendors. He said “I don’t speak English”).

    As for the Hebrew of the Eidot HaMizrach, most experts on the subject, as welll as Rav Kook, hold that the Yemenite pronunciation is closest to the original.It is certain from various soureces that thte tzaddi, for example, was actually a hard “s” as some of them pronounce it.

    #1006478

    @zd

    “Thanks for the info, I knew that Belgium and The Netherlands were very closely related, I didnt realize that Dutch and Flanders were the same language (Just differnet accent).

    FYI Australian English is not related to American English, its the same language. I think English is the only world language where speakers can understand each other over 95% (There are always local differences like Lift vs Elevator or bathroom vs toilet vs water closet or Soccer vs Football) but you can almost always figure it out fairly quickly”

    That’s what I meant – just like US English and Aussie English are the same, so Dutch and Flemish (that’s the proper name of the Flanders accent/dialect) are the same. The same language with a couple of different words and a slightly different pronunciation (for example: Belgian Dutch-speakers, and southern Dutch, cannot properly pronounce the sound of ?/?).

    #1006479
    oomis
    Participant

    Oomis: I suppose you have the same feeling for Italian and the Romans, considering what they did to the Beis Hamikdash and the Jewry they murdered in Yerushalayim. “

    I would, if it had happened in my time. Today’s Italian is not the LATIN of those Romans, probably. But it is still far removed from modern history. The Holocaust is too close to home. And let’s be honest – there is NO nation of people, no group, no country that has not hated Jews and tried to annihilate us (maybe Swahili?). So basically, we should hate ALL languages but Hebrew.

    #1006480
    mdd
    Member

    Oomis, attempts to annihilate Klal Yisroel(c^v) were pretty much limited to the bnei Eisav.

    #1006481
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The People of Italy are not nessasaily decendents of the Romans either, They might be decendants of the barbarians (The Germanic peoples who conqured Italy in the Middle Ages and destroyed Rome)

    #1006482
    oomis
    Participant

    Oomis, attempts to annihilate Klal Yisroel(c^v) were pretty much limited to the bnei Eisav”

    Not certain I agree with that 100%. The muslim world are Bnei Yishmael, not Esav, and they want to drive us into the sea.

    #1006483
    mdd
    Member

    I said “pretty much limited”. And with the Arabs, it’s a recent thing. And they want just to destroy the state. And they are big mouths – they do not 100% mean everything they say.

    #1006484
    tomim tihye
    Member

    I like German; it sounds structured and organized.

    Plus it’s fun to read to count how many words participated in the formation of one word.

    #1006485
    Nechomah
    Participant

    TT – It’s the same for Yiddish. My daughter says she can’t read Yiddish books because she does not want to read words that have 29 letters in them, LOL.

    What bothers me the most about Ivrit, which although my children all learn in Yiddish everyone is trilingual in my house, is that I wonder how the Ashkenazim daaven and say brochos. Do they say it with the Ashkenazi pronunciations or do they forget and just say it with the Sephardi pronunciation like Ivrit? My children learn in Yiddish but my daughters learn a lot of grammar for Loshon Hakodesh. As a matter of fact, my daughter in 10th grade just took her second major exam on grammar – end-of-year test based on what they learned the whole learn.

    IS – I would bet that the Reb Ahrelech can manage at least on a bare minimum to speak LK let’s say in a government office, but they won’t spend time speaking in it. It’s not a language for conversation. Isn’t that why Aramaic was used in the Gemara?

    #1006486
    mdd
    Member

    I hate German. It’s alleviated a little bit by Yiddish being a dialect of it.

    #1006487
    oomis
    Participant

    And with the Arabs, it’s a recent thing”

    Are you serious????? They have said REPEATEDLY, vociferously, and loudly that they want to throw every Jewish/Zionist man, woman, and child into the sea! They not only MEAN everything they say 100%, they cannot WAIT to show how much they mean it!

    You honestly think that thousands of years of Yishmael is a RECENT thing? You are right that they have big mouths, big mouths and even bigger murderous agendas. Their total lack of respect for human life is scarier than anything else. They will push their own children in the line of fire, and then call Israel the aggressors. Dayeinu.

    #1006488
    Be Happy
    Participant

    I hate German. It may be my upbringing – my mother was born there and she won’t even say that word! She says she was born in Europe. She has a stateless passport. –

    I think you can’t beat the warmth of Yiddish.

    #1006489
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I hate German. It may be my upbringing – my mother was born there and she won’t even say that word! She says she was born in Europe. She has a stateless passport. –

    I think you can’t beat the warmth of Yiddish.

    How can someone say they hate German and Love Yiddish????

    They are almost the same language and sound almost the same to the untrained ear (Sort of like Americans cant tell the difference between Australian and England English and Europeans cant tell the difference between US English and Canadian English)

    #1006490
    choppy
    Participant

    A Yiddish speaking Yid and a German speaking German can virtually almost never have a conversation with each other. (They may understand a word here and there.) English is to a large degree derived from Latin and Old Norse, and yet speakers of those languages cannot have a conversation with an English speaker.

    #1006491
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    English is not derived from latin, Latin derived languages are called Romance Languages Like French, Italian, Spanish and Portugese.

    English is probably derived from Old Norse, but around the year 1300 or so the language changed drastically, so if you see Beowolf, it is meaningless to a modern english speaker and even Canterberry Tales is very hard for a modern english speaker to comprhend.

    However German and Yiddish are VERY similiar, like Spanish and Italian or Spanish and Portugese (These languages are very similar and speakers of each can mostly understand each other) A german speaker would not understand yiddish 100R%, but it would be significant

    #1006492
    ohr chodesh
    Member

    An Italian couldn’t understand Spanish (if he only knows Italian) and a German couldn’t understand Yiddish if he walked around Williamsburg.

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