What should next ASIFA be about??

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  • #603475
    elik
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    1) ABUSE

    2) MACHLOKES

    3) PARNASHA

    4) SHALOM BAYIS

    4) CHINUCH

    5) TUITION

    6) NO CELL PHONES IN SHUL

    7) LOVING EVERY JEW

    8) MOSHIACH

    9)OTHER?

    #894680
    shein
    Member

    Tznius.

    #894681
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    elik +1

    I actually wouldnt be opposed to it if it was an event where there was just a giant musser shmooze, sort of a religious revival event. Maybe a Maggid Shiur give a shiur for all to hear.

    With fair ticket prices and nobody forced to participate.

    #894682
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It should be a celebration of the Siyum Hashas.

    #894683
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    So Zdad, based on your qualifications you will be going tomorrow. No one is forcing you to go, you will have the opportunity to hear inspiring speakers of a caliber that you have not before. And at $10, the price is exceptionally reasonable. You would pay more to watch some uncouth, arrogant people running after a little ball at the same venue.

    #894684
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Eli,

    What type of Asifa do you want there to be about tuition? Do you want to tell parents they should pay, I am sure you will still gripe about paying. Do you want to talk about the high price? That depends on the community. The people who send to the highest priced schools are the ones the least likely to go to an asifa to listen to rabbonim. Vdal.

    All of your issues are for the most part individual issues, not affecting everyone and as such are more appropriate for individual attention rather than a communal gathering.

    You sound like the ” counter demonstrators” to the Asifa, they would not listen to anything any Rov says regardless of the message, venue or presenter. Are you of the same hypocritical mindset?

    #894685
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    So Zdad, based on your qualifications you will be going tomorrow. No one is forcing you to go

    Actually, he is going “mah nafshach” – either because he’s happy about not being forced to go, or, well, because he’s being forced to go.

    #894686
    lakewhut
    Participant

    gather all of the high schools and yeshiva gedolahs. Smoking should stop already . High schools tolerate under age smoking. dina d’malchusa dina. Smoking causes bitul torah, fact. I’m sure people leave davening to smoke. It ay be a chill hashem.

    #894687
    Poster
    Member

    zahavasdad, 10- is not a fair price? how much should it be $1.50?

    My father and brother are going IY”H. no one forced them to go. They ordered a ticket to hear what the gedolim have to say. At $10 that is a bargain!

    #894688
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Actually I have no problem with the price, I just said a fair price. Actually the Siyum which I dont have any issues with the event I think charges too high prices

    I have many issues with the asifa, however I do not think they are doing it for the money.

    Nish,

    Abusr Affects the ENTIRE community even if it doesnt affect your personally, It causes others to go OTS and Kol Bnei Yisroel Evravim Zeh Lo-Zeh

    #894689
    apushatayid
    Participant

    Any gathering lishaim shamayim will turn out ok. Is anyone suggesting that the organizers are not lishaim shamayim?

    #894690
    writersoul
    Participant

    nisht, the internet is ALSO a personal thing. People just don’t seem to realize that. It’s much more personal than tuition (though I don’t know how an asifa could help with that, unless it’s a principal’s asifa), loving every Jew, and abuse, to say the least. You can make a million and one takanos and you still can’t stop someone from doing what he wants with his internet. An asifa can raise awareness, just like it can in any of elik’s categories, but it can’t really change very much.

    #894691
    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    What should next ASIFA be about??

    Midos!!! Midos!!! Midos!!!

    and… this is what the FIRST asifa should have been about!

    #894693
    Health
    Participant

    nishtdayngesheft -“Eli,

    What type of Asifa do you want there to be about tuition? Do you want to tell parents they should pay, I am sure you will still gripe about paying. Do you want to talk about the high price? That depends on the community.”

    The Asifa should be about – that there are many who can’t afford to pay tuition. To solve it – they can start an Org. to help people with tuition. And the Asifa will be the first “Dinner”.

    “All of your issues are for the most part individual issues, not affecting everyone and as such are more appropriate for individual attention rather than a communal gathering.”

    These three from the list should affect e/o:

    “3) PARNASHA

    5) TUITION

    7) LOVING EVERY JEW”

    Actually these should have been the first Asifa.

    The reason they should have been first is because of Arvous.

    The whole reason they are allowed to give Mussar and the reason the Torah commands “Hoicheach Tochieach etc.”, is because of Arvous. So you have to be an Arave first before any Mussar, even Mussar about the internet. Taking care of these issues shows Arvous! Read my recent post under the topic of -“What will make Moshiach come?”, regarding tuition.

    #894694
    YOSSI151
    Participant

    The next ASIFA should be about having ASIFAS!!!

    #894695

    1. The media’s influence

    2. Abuse

    3. Tuition

    4. Kids off the derech

    5. Machlokes

    6. Parnassah

    7. Derech Eretz

    8. Teshuvah

    9. Era of Moshiach

    10. Israel and the draft

    11. Internet asifa reinforcement!

    #894696
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    An Asifa is not a discussion. You can not have a discussion with 20 people. You don’t need an Asifa to start an organization, either.

    #894697
    Curiosity
    Participant

    1)Ashkenaz-Sfardi racism/sinas chinom

    2)see number 1.

    An awful lot of schools preach to their kids about how sinas chinom destroyed the beis hamikdash.. All the while, the Sfardi kids have to learn about it at home because they weren’t accepted into the schools for being too dark.

    #894699
    147
    Participant

    Curiosity

    1)Ashkenaz-Sfardi Both Nusach Ashkenaz & Nusach Sephardi are over 1 millennium old, and are most authentic. These are the only 2 authentic Nuscho’os. Period!

    But an Asifa on having every Jew converse in Ivrith = Loshon haKodesh would do the Jewish people a tremendous service.

    #894700
    Health
    Participant

    HaLeiVi -“An Asifa is not a discussion. You can not have a discussion with 20 people. You don’t need an Asifa to start an organization, either.”

    You don’t need an Asifa to start an Org., but you need an Asifa for people to realize that there is a need for such an Org. That’s what Asifas are for when people have no clue there is a problem. And a lot of people don’t realize that some don’t have basic necessities.

    #894701
    Health
    Participant

    147 -“But an Asifa on having every Jew converse in Ivrith = Loshon haKodesh would do the Jewish people a tremendous service.”

    LK is Not Ivrit! And there is nothing holy about the Ivrit language.

    #894703
    Curiosity
    Participant

    Scholarly Ivrit (not slang) is the closest thing to lashon hakodesh that people still use today. Just because you hate Israel, that doesn’t make it not so.

    #894705
    WIY
    Member

    Curiosity

    Thanks I had the mods remove my comment.

    #894706
    RebRY
    Member

    Curiosity, “scholary Ivrit is the CLOSEST thing to LK” see even you admit it is not LK just the closest thing to it. Health was not saying it is not similar, it is just not real LK and therefore there is nothing holy about it. Ivrit is just a language that the zionists stole from LK.

    #894707
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Its funny those who claim Hebrew isnt holy and Yiddish is holy seem to forget the most well known Yiddish word is actually Nivel Peh.

    Very few people would know the Nivel Peh words in Hebrew yet everyone knows them in “holy yiddish”

    #894708
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    147, I wouldn’t feel so comfortable starting up with the Arizal; nor with all the Tanaim and Amoraim who were fine with Aramaic being the language on the street and even composing some prayers in that language when they wanted everyone to understand.

    #894709
    Naftush
    Member

    Before the mudslinging about Hebrew and nusahim gets serious, may I suggest celebrating how *close* all the nusahim to each other are after centuries of exile and how well modern Hebrew fits with LK to enhance learning?

    #894711
    Curiosity
    Participant

    RebRy – I say “closest” because there are innovations. They didn’t have a word for ‘refrigerator’ back then because it didn’t exist. Nonetheless, even the Mishna – which I assume we can all agree is lashon hakodesh – at times takes words from Greek, Roman, and Arabic. Often, modern Hebrew takes from Aramaic to speak of new innovations. One example that comes to mind is “?????” – “ice cream” is the word “frost” in Aramaic, that is used in Onkelus to describe the ‘manna’ (??) in ???? ?’ ??.

    Chazal say the sole reason that Hebrew is considered Kadosh is because it has no words that are inherently vulgar. Modern day Hebrew dialect has to borrow from Arabic, Yiddish, and English to create dirty words. The language is still holy, because the words used by Israelis are just part of the evolving colloquial dialect (read: slang), not part of the actual (non-slang) language.

    The laws of dikduk, grammar, and conjugation are almost entirely similar. This is why an “Ivrit” speaking individual has a very easy time reading Mishna and Psukim.

    There is no question that Yiddish is not a holy language. Aramaic is unique b/c the malachim don’t understand it, but it’s not holy. No language other than Hebrew is holy.

    #894712
    147
    Participant

    The laws of dikduk, grammar, and conjugation are almost entirely similar. …….. Absolutely correct head on. To the best of my knowledge, the only 2 verb forms that have changed in Modern Hebrew, are feminine 2nd & 3rd person plural, that have adopted Masculine 2nd & 3rd person instead.

    Hebrew Grammar is so much easier & more logical than say Latin or German.

    #894713
    Health
    Participant

    Curiosity -“RebRy – I say “closest” because there are innovations.

    Chazal say the sole reason that Hebrew is considered Kadosh is because it has no words that are inherently vulgar. Modern day Hebrew dialect has to borrow from Arabic, Yiddish, and English to create dirty words. The language is still holy, because the words used by Israelis are just part of the evolving colloquial dialect (read: slang), not part of the actual (non-slang) language.”

    I don’t know if you read all the topics in the CR, but we discussed about Ivrit & Yiddish in this topic:

    “Enough with Yiddish already:

    Please go read all the posts there!

    But one post that I wrote there, I’m reposting here:

    “Health -I did some research into these languages. Did you know they had this argument in Europe which language should be the Jewish language -Yiddish or Ivrit?

    Let me tell you about this guy Ben -Yehuda -he just wasn’t a non-religious guy -he was Anti-religion. He started out as a Frum kid -became a Maskil -then a Zionist.

    It seems he wanted a language that people in the street could speak, not just learned Chachomim. This I don’t understand -why can’t they speak LK? So I think he made a language to mock LK. That’s why he decided to put the Sefardi pronunciation to it -to make fun of it (LK). If my hunch is correct, it might be Ossur or definitely preferable Not to speak Ivrit. Some say people who know Ivrit before they learn Torah don’t get the proper meaning of what the Torah means because of the different meanings of Ivrit. When Teddy H. liked the English (British) idea of the Jewish homeland in Uganda, Ben-Yehuda was all for it. I guess this kind of proves he wanted nothing to do with Kedusha. So his language is No offshoot of Kedusha -it had to me mocking the holy language (LK).

    Now back to Europe -the Zionists started pushing their Hebrew (Ivrit) there and a lot of Jews didn’t like it. A bunch of Non-Frum intellectual Jews got together in Vilna in the 20’s to counter act this. They started an org. called YIVO to push Yiddish as the Jewish language.

    So I should be worse than a bunch of Freye Yidden who saw through what the Tzionim were doing with this Ivrit, and speak this ridiculous language?”

    #894715
    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Tznius without a question. At least for Brooklyn.

    #894716

    the shidduch crisis 🙂 i don’t think ppl talk about it enough…

    #894717
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Actually the anti-Frum Bundists pushed yiddish.

    The Bundists were much more popular and followed than Zionists in the years before WW II

    #894718
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    i think OTD or tznius

    #894719
    Curiosity
    Participant

    Health – there’s no need to turn every single discussion into an anti-Zionist crusade. It’s really getting old. Nonetheless your logic is severely flawed. According to what you are saying all of the Sfardi communities are also wrong in their pronounciations, and are incapable of understanding Torah. Your “hunch” is not just childish and baseless, it’s apikorsus. You can take your psak that speaking Hebrew is ossur, and go get a haskamah from all non-Ashkenazic Rabbonim. If they give you their signature, I’ll be more than happy to follow your psak.

    #894720
    Health
    Participant

    Curiosity -“Health – there’s no need to turn every single discussion into an anti-Zionist crusade. It’s really getting old.”

    You might be getting old, but the point isn’t. Ivrit is the language of the Tzionim, whether you admit it or not!

    “Nonetheless your logic is severely flawed. According to what you are saying all of the Sfardi communities are also wrong in their pronounciations, and are incapable of understanding Torah. Your “hunch” is not just childish and baseless, it’s apikorsus.”

    The only thing that’s Apikorsus is your post. Kol Hapoisel B’momo Poisel. If you would have Read my Whole post -I didn’t have a problem with their pronounciation -if they were the ones speaking. I said it’s ridiculous for an Askenazi to speak that way.

    “You can take your psak that speaking Hebrew is ossur, and go get a haskamah from all non-Ashkenazic Rabbonim. If they give you their signature, I’ll be more than happy to follow your psak.”

    More lies! I never said it was Ossur. See my post below. I said it’s preferable or a good idea Not to speak Ivrit!

    Since you’re too lazy to look up the topic of “Enough with Yiddish already” – I quoted it here:

    “Tomche

    The Radak (Sefer HaMichlol, introduction) writes that Loshon HaKodesh is all but forgotten to us, and all we have left is what is in Tanach.

    The Chasam Sofer notes that while Chazal used many words and phrases borrowed from the Greeks and Romans, they never coined a new word, as has been done in modern Hebrew, for in their holy opinion it was preferable to use other languages rather than create even a single new word that did not have its like, its example, in the Torah, since it could not be rooted in sanctity.

    The Chasam Sofer EH 2:11 says that in ancient times Jews used to use a modified version of the non-Jewish languages for everyday (divrei chol) talk, similar to what Yiddish is.

    The Chasam Sofer writes that the reason Jews do not speak Loshon Hakodesh as a speaking language is because it is inappropriate to use a holy language while enveloped in Tumah, which is our current status. The Rambam writes that a love song in Hebrew is more repulsive to Hashem than the same song in Arabic, for instance, because the pollution of the Holy language is an additional crime. If someone wants to store pornography in his house, thats bad enough. But to store it in the Aron HaKodesh is unspeakably worse. So to cause Loshon HaKodesh to be used as a street language, complete with all the disgusting ways it is used today in Israel, is just more of a reason why we should make sure it never gets into the streets. For our Creator to look down at the world and see His holy language – or even elements of it – used in magazines such as are sold in Kiosks on Yaffo or Dizengoff Street, or spoken by the lowest of the low trying to make a sale, is not something that he or we are happy about.

    The Kuzari writes that Avrohom Avinu, therefore, spoke 2 different languages. One for holy speech – that was Loshon HaKodesh, and the other for mundane speech – that, the Kuzari says was some non-Jewish language that Avrohom Avinu took and changed around a little on his own. And thats the idea behind Yiddish. It is a non-Jewish language that we took and twisted a bit in order to make it exclusive among us.”

    “Health – You’re basically saying like Sam that LK can exist in Ivrit, but you’re saying it’s Ossur to use it. I disagree; even if you say LK can exist nowadays in modern form -you can speak Ivrit. Because I hold Ivrit is Not LK and it’s a new language that was made up. (It’s not even a Jewish language.) They have a different pronuciation than LK amongst other reasons. If it would be LK because LK can be spoken in modern form -then speaking Ivrit would be Ossur.”

    #894721
    Health
    Participant

    Mods -My above post please.

    It’s very long. It’s waiting for a mod with more patience. sorry.

    #894722
    mik5
    Participant

    1) lashon hara

    2) pedophilia and cover-ups r”l

    #894723
    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    1) The CR and its importance to every Jew’s life.

    #894724
    hudi
    Participant

    I think it should be about loving every Jew. Many of the current problems that we are are partly or directly affected by sinas chinam.

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