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  • #592410
    WIY
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    Its really sad but I think at the core of all the Tznius as well as other problems is that we have lost our feeling for holiness.

    We just don’t feel close to Hashem or connected to him or more specifically we aren’t aware of His presence and we lack in the Shivisi Hashem Lenegdi Tamid or another way to say it is we lack Emunah, we don’t believe He sees what we do or cares what we do and therefore we are free to act as we please.

    The only way to have sustained change is to improve our Emunah.

    #697632
    Dr. Pepper
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    From a secular point of view I think we are lacking leaders that we can look up to.

    I remember the days of President Reagan and President George H.W. Bush, even if people didn’t agree with their decisions, they still respected them as leaders of this country.

    Unfortunately nowadays it is hard to find a leader with a clean history (especially with the invention of the Internet).

    I heard a speaker say that the worst thing President Clinton did in the whole incident, wasn’t the incident itself, or swearing falsely under oath- it was staying in power. A politician can get a second chance in life- but not a second chance in their position. By him staying in power, the country lost all respect for that position.

    The country hasn’t recovered from that yet!

    #697633

    WIY

    I could not agree more

    #697634
    blinky
    Participant

    WIY- you are on a roll today….how many threads did you start???

    #697635
    chaimss
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    How true (both to WIY and DP) – we all need good role models, and we’re just not getting them. There’s this mentality of “what do I have to do” vs. “what should I be doing” and especially for teenagers or post-teenagers like me, it’s not doing us any good.

    #697636
    bpt
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    Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshiva to tell us that its OK for a 24 year old boy to work. Not everyone can be the next godol hador, and for those who want out of the 4 walls, it should be with the support of the yeshiva

    #697637
    oomis
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    I agree with all of you, but we also need more humility, and less feeling of entitlement. A strong work ethic wouldn’t hurt, either.

    #697638
    pascha bchochma
    Participant

    WIY: Agreed.

    And, we are missing persistence. Everything has to be on a silver platter, no effort necessary.

    #697639

    simply yeridas hadoros. Just read all for the boss, biographies on R’ Yoseph Chaim Sonnenfeld, The Chazon ish, the Ch”ch, see what levels people were on then. (about 2 gen ago?) However, in every generation there are chotim too. Pre world war had their share of gedolim but also big waves of “ism’s” and masses going off the derech. Today were tested differently. Were bentched with LOADS of gashmiyus, and comforts were so steeped in it all.

    #697640
    WIY
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    oomis1105

    I think basically what you may be saying is that we need to overhaul our yeshivah system. I agree but that’s a whole other schmooze and will likely never happen. You will be sickened if you knew what some Rosh Yeshivas advise their talmidim regarding work kollel and all that. They literally and unabashedly breed entitled selfish boys.

    #697642
    kapusta
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    Appreciation. For the little things and for the big things. Its the root of so many other issues. The “me” attitude, unnecessary divorces…

    *kapusta*

    #697643
    aries2756
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    I think what is most lacking in this generation is RESPECT. I find that more and more. A general lack of respect and derech eretz for one and other, for people’s belongings, for community property, when speaking to one and other, when speaking to parents, when speaking to friend’s parents, when speaking to teachers, when speaking to students parents….

    The list is endless.

    #697644
    Sacrilege
    Member

    I completely agree with WIY.

    Also, I think its that we do mitzvos by rote without much thought or meaning we just do them because. I think we have to inject our spiritual lives with some ooomph (for lack of a better word) oh! wait excitement.

    #697645
    WIY
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    Sacrilege

    Enthusiasm is the word you are looking for. Yes what you are saying is so true. We are the walking dead in our observance its so forced. I had people in my shul shmoozing throughout the YK davenings. How lifeless and disconnected have we become?!

    #697646
    WIY
    Member

    Kapusta and Aries

    Those are both similar ideas and certainly big problems but I’m talking root problems. Lack of respect or feelings of entitlement are caused by other root problems.

    #697647
    tomim tihye
    Member

    yir’ah

    #697648
    squeak
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    unnecessary divorces…

    *kapusta*

    Speaking generally, the divorces are usually not unnecessary. Perhaps you meant unnecessary marriages?

    I tend to agree with the sentiment about lack of leadership, and with what BP Totty said. It is nearly impossible to respect a leader who is looking down on his followers. If we have lost respect for leadership, then what we do becomes pretty much random and existential.

    #697649
    Ben Torah
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    I completely agree with Kapusta. There are way too many unnecessary divorces. I would venture and say most divorces are avoidable.

    #697650
    aries2756
    Participant

    Well then I think the root is AHAVAS YISROEL. I find that the current leadership does not show that as much as they show the ahavas $$$$$ in many cases. And the lack of Ahavas Yisroel can account for the lack of respect too.

    #697651
    artchill
    Participant

    Rav Moshe Feinstein, Rav Ruderman, and Rav Gifter.

    #697652
    WIY
    Member

    Artchill

    And Rav Miller, Rav Yakov Kamenetzky and Rav Pam…

    #697653
    myfriend
    Member

    And the Satmar Rebbe, Rav Ahron Kotler, and Rav Elchonon Wasserman.

    #697654
    WIY
    Member

    Myfriend,

    While I agree, technically artchill and I were mentioning more recent gedolim not pre ww2 Rav Elchonon was from the previous pre WW2 generation.

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