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  • #1752673

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    “Chabad forums are 99% a bash-fest on other yidden, primarily gedolim.”
    Read CHabadtalk. But its out of date.

    As regards to the horrific nature of Chabad Comments just read the articles on Crownheightsinfo and Collive by Rav Menashe Kleins petira (who was VERY pro-chabad) just because he didnt accept a certain person as a messiah (you-know who).

    #1752675

    Yeshivishrockstar
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    DEFEND CHABAD read the comments on Crownheightsinfo in regards to Rav Yisroel Belsky’s comments on meshichistim. I found it via google but i cant post a link. Google “yisrael belsky crownheights info” without quotes.

    #1752679

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    I love this comment by Rav Belsky’s petira:

    15. Excuse me! wrote:
    Someone that says anything against the Rebbe. And that means anything is mored bmalchus! And going against hashem.. So it doesn’t really matter before he passed away or after if he said something like that. Then a Chabad site should not be posting his passing.. He went against YOUR Rebbe and your fine with posting an article about him?!

    You will NEVER see such a comment by the litvishers. EVER.

    SO anyone who knows the emes: Chabad’s “Ahavas Yisrael” is only as long as they don’t attack chabad. Then they hate him. Just like “Christian Love”.

    #1752676

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    I love this comment by Rav Belsky’s petira:

    15. Excuse me! wrote:
    Someone that says anything against the Rebbe. And that means anything is mored bmalchus! And going against hashem.. So it doesn’t really matter before he passed away or after if he said something like that. Then a Chabad site should not be posting his passing.. He went against YOUR Rebbe and your fine with posting an article about him?!

    You will NEVER see such a comment by the litvishers. EVER.

    #1752699

    Defend Chabad
    Participant

    Yeshivishrockstar: “Read CHabadtalk. But its out of date.” I googled Chabadtalk and visited their site and it doesn’t seem to exist anymore. There is something, however, called the ChabadTalk Podcast by Tzvi Freeman, and it seems to be very Kosher, and i enjoy the author’s articles on Chabad.org. definitely nothing disrespectful over there.
    ” just read the articles on Crownheightsinfo and Collive by Rav Menashe Kleins petira”
    No article regarding Rav Menashe Klein was posted on Crown Heights Info but this is what i found on Collive.
    “shame it’s a shame. we have no leaders left in this world”
    “Very sad!”
    “Every way!”
    “Erev Rosh Hashana
    Is it 29 Elul in Eretz Yisroel when he passed away?
    If so he shares a special day with the Tzemach Tzedek……”
    “Baruch Dayan Haemes…”

    All of these comments were made by Lubavitchers expressing their sympathy over the passing of this Gadol. While mentioning his life story, Collive naturally mentions the negative stance he had against Chabad, being that this article was posted on a Chabad site – Is there a problem with that? And yes, a couple of the comments on the bottom expressed their disappointment that collive mentioned that aspect of his life, being that they felt that it wasn’t right to publicize that on the day of his petira. Is there a problem with that?

    “read the comments on Crownheightsinfo in regards to Rav Yisroel Belsky’s comments on meshichistim.”

    Besides for comment #1, #2, and #15, all 37 comments on the page are either expressing their sympathy and pain upon hearing about his death, or berating the aforementioned comments, for their stupidity, so why are you trying to make it sound as if the whole Lubavitch as if all the comments were against him?
    “SO anyone who knows the emes: Chabad’s “Ahavas Yisrael” is only as long as they don’t attack chabad.” ????? Of course we love everyone, even when they attack us, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re disappointed with them….. Where does #15’s comment imply that he doesn’t love Rav Yisroel. How does saying “He went against YOUR Rebbe and your fine with posting an article about him?!” imply that the writer doesn’t love rav yisroel? I love Rav Yisroel, and I love you too, even if my comments to you sound harsh sometimes….

    #1752720

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    BTW: Elokistim are celebrated on mainstream CHabad websites. No negative comments are allowed when they die. Only when Litvishe gedolim die.

    Unlike any other poster here I will prove it:
    Zimroni Tzik shr”y was a Chabad shaliach in Bat Yam who was an open elokist. From failed Messiah (this is backed up in other places as well:

    “Rabbi Tzik Zimroni, perhaps the most extreme of the extreme Chabad messianists, has launched a campaign with some as-yet-unnamed US Chabad rabbis. Stewards and Stewardesses will visit bars in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem tonight, offering free drinks to patrons who will come with them to hear a presentation on the “Rebbe King Messiah May He Live Forever And Ever” from some US Chabad rabbis. All this to celebrate the Rebbe’s 13th yartzeit Tuesday – a yartzeit Zimroni and others do not observe because they believe the Rebbe did not pass away.

    Official Chabad condemns this bizarre, cult-like program and, in truth, I know that Zimroni is despised by most of Chabad – even by open Chabad messianists.

    In 1994 at a massive anti-terror rally in Jerusalem. Zimroni and his cohorts passed out thousands of full color glossy newspapers with the headline, “Long Live Our Master, Our Teacher, Our CREATOR, The King Messiah Forever And Ever!” I spent most of that rally going to NRP leaders from the Old City, telling them this was not Chabad’s policy and recruiting them to gather up and destroy as many of these newspapers as possible. Even local Chabad messianists helped gather and destroy them.

    So I find it hard to blame Chabad for anything Zimroni does.”

    End article.

    And from the JC:
    “A new schism emerged last week in the Lubavitch movement in Israel following reports that one of the leaders of its “messianic” stream had stopped fasting on days marking the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.

    Rabbi Gedalya Axelrod, a leading Lubavitch rabbi in Haifa, published a letter last week saying that “according to halachah”, Rabbi Zimroni Tzik, who runs the Chabad House in Bat Yam, should be excommunicated.

    Rabbi Tzik’s sin, according to Rabbi Axelrod, is that he does not observe the fast days commemorating the events leading up to the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. Rabbi Tzik is also accused of not observing other daily rituals of mourning for the lost Temple.

    The Bat Yam Chabad House is one of the main centres of the messianic stream in Lubavitch and Rabbi Tzik and his followers are alleged to believe that the Messiah has already arrived and therefore the rituals of mourning are no longer necessary.

    A similar group in Australia was also excommunicated two weeks ago by a senior Lubavitch rabbi in Melbourne.

    In his letter, Rabbi Axelrod called upon the public not to attend a ceremony organised by Rabbi Tzik on Sunday in Tel Aviv. Despite his call, hundreds of Chasidim and dozens of rabbis attended.

    There has been a de-facto split in Lubavitch since the death of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, in 1994, between those who acknowledged his death and those who cling to the belief that the Rebbe is the Messiah and therefore cannot be dead.

    While efforts have been made to paper over these differences, Lubavitch is to all purposes today a collection of factions.

    The excommunications in Israel and Australia were both announced by rabbis themselves belonging to the messianic group and it is thought that they are trying to curb the more radical excesses of their co-adherents.

    Many Lubavitch leaders around the world maintain that the messianic stream is a small minority but, in private, sources within the movement admit that a sizable proportion of Lubavitchers, especially in Israel, ascribe to messianic views.

    Rabbi Tzik refused to comment.”

    End Article.

    So this guy is a nutcase Rasha, plain and simple. Yet, on Collive, they had an article mourning his death with not one negative comment!!: (unfortunately I cannot post links so I will reprint the whole article)

    “Rabbi Zimroni Tzik, a rabbi of the Bat Yam, Israel community, passed away on Wednesday, 16 Sivan, 5778.

    He was 69.

    In 1974, Rabbi Tzik opened the Chabad House in Bat Yam and spread Judaism throughout the city. In 1979, he opened Yeshivas Hadar Hatmimim, a Yeshiva for new Baalei Teshuva.

    Born into a traditional Jewish family, as a child his parents sought a religious summer camp for him, and sent him to the camp in Kfar Chabad, Israel. In his youth, he studied at the Nechalim yeshiva and also in the Lithuanian Yeshivat HaNegev in Netivot, under Rabbi Yissachar Meir.

    In 5727 he was drafted into the army, and while he was in a squad commanders’ course, the Six-Day War broke out. Rabbi Tzik was sent to the Egyptian front, where he met Rabbi Aharon Tenenbaum, who was then a reservist, and together they learned a chapter from the Tanya. Rabbi Tzik visited the yeshiva where he studied Chasidus with the bochurim, and since that visit, every Shabbat he was allowed to leave the base, he would come to Kfar Chabad.

    After his marriage, he began teaching in the non-Chabad Nechalim Yeshiva, and began teaching his students about Chabad and Chasidus, which the Yeshiva did not approve, and he was soon asked to resign.

    At that time, his boyhood friend Rabbi Dovid Nachshon suggested he go to visit the Rebbe in New York.

    When he arrived in 770, he wrote to the Rebbe that he wanted to work to cover the expenses of the trip, but the Rebbe replied that “he should do according to the advice of the yeshiva’s management.” The yeshiva leadership decided that, according to the Rebbe, he should join the yeshiva “Tomchei Temimim Lubavitch Central Yeshiva” in the framework of the “Kollel” in 1971. Thus he found himself a student in the “Kevutza” after his marriage.

    After returning to Israel, he returned to Bat Yam and began to work as a teacher in the Aderet yeshiva, which operated in a similar format to Nachalim Yeshiva, and when the students soon became interested in Chabad, he was also fired from there.

    In the summer of 5733 he offered his friends the idea of opening a library where they would give Torah lessons and operate a shop selling religious objects. He called Rabbi Hodakov, the Rebbe’s secretary, and suggested the idea.
    Rabbi Hodakov clarified what was planned for operating the library, and all the details, during the entire conversation, the Rebbe himself was listening on the line.

    Rabbi Hodakov was interested in whether this would be done with great publicity, and how they would reach a large number of people. Rabbi Tzik suggested that they visit all the summer camps in the city and teach about the five Mivtzoim (at the time), and permission was received.

    At the opening of the library Chabad House, flyers were distributed about mezuzahs, distribution of charity boxes, and other Mivtzoim. In a short time, local newspapers began to publish positive reports about their activities.

    In 5739 he opened the Yeshivat Hadar HaTimim in Bat Yam for young Ba’alei Teshuvah, which was active until the year 5742. He was a member of the organization of the Rambam’s Tzemach celebrations. And in 1987 he organized the third “Rambam” celebration in Israel, held at the “Binyanei HaUma” in Jerusalem.

    In the month of Iyar, 5778, Rabbi Tzik suffered a severe stroke, and many recited Tehilim and prayed for his recovery, in Israel and around the world. A few weeks later, he passed away at the age of 69.

    He was survived by his wife, sons and daughter: Rabbi Chaim Tzik – Bat Yam, Rabbi Meir Tzik – Jerusalem, Rabbi Levi Yitzchak Tzik – Kfar Chabad, Rabbi Shneur Zalman Tzik – Kfar Chabad, and Mrs. Boroshansky – Kiryat Malachi, Israel.

    His funeral will take place at 15:00 from the Chabad synagogue in Sderot Ha’atzmaut, 67 Bat Yam, and at 16:30 in the cemetery of the settlement of Ahiezer.

    Baruch Dayan Ha’emes.”

    End Article.

    So, by Chabad, the biggest reshaim get praiseworthy articles when they die, with NO negative comments, but when Gedolim and Torah-true tzadikim die, they get insulted and shamed.

    One of the biggest sign of rishus is one who praises evil and criticizes good, and (some of the influental) Chabad has been found guilty of that. (This obviously does not apply to all chabad etc etc, but there are evil elements.)

    #1752729

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    More proof that Zimroni Tzik shr”y – who was celebrated and mourned on MAINSTREAM Chabad websites was an elokist: From Crownheights info:

    “Just a week after we published the protest of a Rabbi in the Chabad community in Melbourne, Rabbi Tzvi Telsner against a handful of depraved and shameless individuals who disguise themselves as Chassidim, that took it upon themselves to cancel the fast of Asara B’Teves and to celebrate it as a holiday – Rabbi Gedalia Axelrod, Chabad Rabbi in Haifa, a letter unprecedented in its sharpness against these groups who willfully shame themselves in Chabads name.

    Two days later a second letter followed with Rabbi Axelrod calling not to attend an event that Zimroni Tzik is organizing for Tes Shvat, saying that he was told personally that Tzik has a custom to eat on fast days and though he doesn’t recommend other do so, rather he refers them to certain Sichos of the Rebbe and tells them to draw their own conclusions.

    The following is a translation of the letter to Zimroni Tzik:

    In the matter of the keness Mr. Zimroni Tzik would like to hold on [Sunday] 9 Shevat in the auditorium at Tel Aviv University, following my letter of yesterday I hereby notify the congregation that I spoke today with two prominent Chabad figures shlita, and they told me they personally heard Mr. Zimroni say he eats on Asoroh Beteves and the other fasts Chazal established, and when people ask how they should conduct themselves he does not instruct them to follow his example, but refers them the holy sichos and tells them to examine them in order to determine what to do, Rachmono litzlan.

    Likewise he has done away with Simon 131 in Orech Chaim, Rachmono litzlan, removing Nefilas Apoyim from his tefilloh. In general, he holds that neither a rov nor the Shulchon Oruch determines his conduct.
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    I can attest that his hashkofoh regarding emunoh in the Oneness of Hashem Yisborach contains heresy and apikorsus, like that of his close friend, Mr. Shmuel Frummer.

    Since loyal Chabad members are influenced by him and some have fallen into severe decline as a result, he is considered ‘machti es harabbim’ and is the greatest enemy of Melech Hamoshiach.

    His ways are closely reminiscent of the cult of Shabsai Tzvi, sheim reshoim yirakev, and where it may lead, no one can know.

    According to halochoh, he should be excommunicated – cherem and niddui – if he does not repent, and he must be removed from our community. As such, with a torn and burning heart I hereby issue a call to carefully avoid these evildoers.

    Under no circumstances should one attend the above mentioned keness, which is the exact opposite of gatherings of tzaddikim.

    Because not a single rabbi is participating in his event, he has invited the illustrious Rav Kalmanson shlita from the US to speak at the event, and I hereby urge him to avoid the event, and he will receive great reward for doing so.”

    End Article.

    First, we see that this Tzik was a rasha who didn’t beleive in Achdus Hashem. Yet he is celebrated and praised on COLLIVE, CHABAD INFO, and BEIS MOSHIACH.

    Second, we see that Axelrod, the writer of this letter, himself is a nutjob Meshichist: He wrote: “Since loyal Chabad members are influenced by him and some have fallen into severe decline as a result, he is considered ‘machti es harabbim’ and is the greatest enemy of Melech Hamoshiach.” No, “Rabbi” Axelrod, he is the greatest enemy of Hashem.

    Furthermore, many Collive commentators brought proof of Tzik’s “greatness” in comments from ztories of the Rebbe, proving the Rebbe wasn’t as “all-knowing” as some in Chabad think he is.

    #1753222

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Defend Chabad, why have you gone silent? I brought conclusive proof that mainstream Chabad websites celebrate and endorse elokists. Furthermore, they (at least the commenters) attack kniown gedolei Torah. What happened? can no one hear defend chabad after that?

    #1753313

    Whatsaktome
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    I can guarantee you that no one in Chabad supports him, like you even brought from heavy meschichistim, the fact that he was praised is a problem, but that dosent mean that lubavitchers support such a person, ask any lubavitcher he will tell you he dosent,

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