When will Boro Park have a Shabbos Project and host thousands of BTs?
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October 26, 2014 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #614036
Just watching the Motzei Shabbos event, being shown on Yeshiva World, was a thrill, I can imagine what an inspiration this was for both hosts and participants and everyone who was involved!
Like Ive heard Kiruv professionals say, being involved in Kiruv is inspiring also for those being Mekarev, and not only for the potential Baalei Teshuva.
Two thousand BTs stayed in Flatbush and had planned events speakers and entertainment.
When will Boro Park have a Shabbos Project?October 26, 2014 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1038376
Boro Park is close to 100% frum. Flatbush still has non-frum residents. It would be difficult to import thousands of frei yidden to Boro Park for a Shabbos. Where will thousands of irreligious Jews willingly come to BP from for an overnight stay?October 26, 2014 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1038377
I’m sure if its worked out well many non religious people from the outskirts if boro park would be interestedOctober 26, 2014 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1038378
Which outskirts of BP? One side is Flatbush and the other side is the Asian neighborhood. And how many on the outskirts are there – and the ones there are are apt to go to frum folks in their own area.October 26, 2014 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1038379
I’m not going into nitpicking arguments. I’m pretty sure there are people who would come if it sounds interesting enough to themOctober 26, 2014 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1038380
Yeah, of course, some stragglers here and there. But the OP was talking about “thousands”.October 26, 2014 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1038381
I heard and read that people came from other states.
Why do those who come have to be from Brooklyn or even New York?October 26, 2014 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1038382golferParticipant
AZOI, you are not spending enough time here.
If you did you would know that Brooklyn, NY is the center of the universe.
Everyone from any other place (possibly, but not definitely, including Yerushalayim) is referred to as OOT.
(OOT is a pejorative, not a compliment.)
Try this experiment:
Take a globe.
If you can’t, settle for NYC.
Put your finger on the spot you have found.
Notice- your finger is exactly at the center of the globe.
See?October 26, 2014 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1038383🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
golfer – 😀October 26, 2014 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1038384☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Golfer, not true. Nowadays, Lakewood is also considered in town.October 26, 2014 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1038385👑RebYidd23Participant
If Brooklyn, NY were not the center of the universe, nobody would use the phrase “out-of-town city” because it would make no sense.October 27, 2014 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1038386
Im really ROTFL.
But lets get serious!
Who would perhaps set a Boro Park Shabbos Project into motion, cuz SOME (heehee) “in town” people do E X A C T L Y what the people they perceive to be shtotty do. Its the in town copycat syndrome.
All we need is ONE “shtotty” person to involve themselves in a Shabbos Project and its D O N E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People will be clamoring to get involved with Mr Shtotty and company.October 27, 2014 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1038387
But then no one will have anyone to invite. So they’ll end up inviting each other and it’ll all be one big happy family reunion.October 27, 2014 3:28 am at 3:28 am #1038388Jersey JewParticipant
“Boro Park is close to 100% frum. Flatbush still has non-frum residents.”
Keep dreamin’October 27, 2014 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1038389
Nu, Mark, what do you think is the demographic reality?October 28, 2014 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1038390
If a Mr. Shtotty in BP invites a potential BT from far out in the USA, so will all his wannabes invite potential BTs from far out in the USA! They will do exactly as he does.
Mr. Shtotty in BP, are you listening?October 28, 2014 2:22 am at 2:22 am #1038391
That will bring in a few dozen cumulatively, at best, “from far out in the USA”, not “thousands”.October 28, 2014 3:40 am at 3:40 am #1038392
“That will bring in a few dozen cumulatively, at best, “from far out in the USA”, not “thousands”.
I disagree. Each Mr Shtotty in BP has at least a hundred wannabes. There are B”H many Mr Shtottys in BP, as evidenced by the numbers of really Shtotty houses in BP. You obviously arent too familiar with BP Shtotty personality (and numbers thereof) and wannabe mentality (and numbers thereof).October 28, 2014 3:57 am at 3:57 am #1038393
Even if that’s all true, there aren’t thousands of non-religious from across the USA that will be willing to fly to BP for a Shabbos.October 28, 2014 4:29 am at 4:29 am #1038394
“Even if that’s all true, there aren’t thousands of non-religious from across the USA that will be willing to fly to BP for a Shabbos.”
How about trains and buses from neighboring states?October 28, 2014 4:56 am at 4:56 am #1038395
Yes, I can see thousands of irreligious Jews lining up at their local Amtrak station to board the train to Penn Station on their way to their Shabbaton in Boro Park.
Perhaps we can organize for them a Daf Yomi. 🙂October 28, 2014 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1038396
“Yes, I can see thousands of irreligious Jews lining up at their local Amtrak station”
So we might as well not even try to gauge the interest. Whats the value of one other religious Jew? GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNISHT? Big deal, right?
Its been said that even if ONE person becomes frum as a result of a Shabbos project, its all worthwhile, because from ONE Jew, theres lots of potential Doros.
But some people would rather be negative and lazy…October 28, 2014 9:47 am at 9:47 am #1038397
Oh, no, I’m all for it. I’m just saying let’s be accurate. It isn’t going to involve thousands. As a matter of reality it will be dozens. If relating realism is negative why not say that we can expect “hundreds of thousands” to participate.October 28, 2014 11:56 am at 11:56 am #1038398
I don’t think it’s not realistic to expect thousands to come or at least hundreds. If every family or even most families in bp invited one person you have thousands.October 28, 2014 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1038399A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipant
You all have such a condescending attitude about BP H’kodesh. If any of the residents paid any attention to all the publicity put out (Project Inspire was coordinating the project for the Metro NY area), you’d know that the idea was to invite someone. Not necessarily someone from your neighborhood. But perhaps someone from your workplace, or someone you meet randomly. I’d suggest you all watch Project Inspire’s Tisha B’av videos again and see how, for example, the Traveling Chassidim evolved. A few years ago I was at Projet Inspire’s convention and met quite a number of Chassidic families from both Williamsburg and Monsey who were delighted to have non-frum people as Shabbos guests. In fact, they often have an “advantage” in attracting the non-frum because they frequently get bageled given their obviously Orthodox appearance. And where do the guests stay? In your homes, not hotels. We’re already pumping up for the Shabbos Project 2015 (Oct. 23-24). All you need is a few interested people to get involved in any given community.October 28, 2014 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1038400yaakov doeParticipant
Isn’t Boro Park one of the neighborhoods where no one says “good Shabbos” to a stranger? For that reason alone a Shabbos project wouldn’t work in BP. Anyway, I don’t think there’s enough room in overcrowded BP for additional thousands of people.October 28, 2014 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1038401
For one shabbos we can squeeze in more people. Like for instance when some big rabbis come from out of town hundreds or maybe thousands of chasidim manage to find places to stay.October 28, 2014 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1038402
If you really cared about each Jew you wouldn’t wait for some “shtotty” guy to make some project. Make the calls and invite the secular yiddin yourself.October 28, 2014 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #1038403
“If you really cared about each Jew you wouldn’t wait for some “shtotty” guy to make some project. Make the calls and invite the secular yiddin yourself”
Thats a beautiful idea!
But I think the special programming, special davening, Motzei Shabbos Ruach, and the fact that the whole community was involved together made it even more meaningful. Potential BTs might not click with most BP Shuls regular goings on, with Rebbes speaking in Yiddish, etc. Some of the mostly Chassidish Shuls in BP would have to have English speakers, more in tune with potential BTs.October 28, 2014 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1038404
I don’t think English speakers is a problem in many shuls in boro park.October 28, 2014 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1038405
Your excitement of planning/having an event is blinding you to what kiruv is and how to bring people close to the Hashem. There are plenty of chassidishe yidden that help mekarev non religious Jews and don’t need a huge program, as nice as it may be.October 28, 2014 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1038406
“There are plenty of chassidishe yidden that help mekarev non religious Jews and don’t need a huge program, as nice as it may be”
Please inspire me with how to inspire. How are chassidishe yidden helping to be mekarev non religious Jews?October 28, 2014 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1038407
Like I said before pick up the phone and make a call, you’ll have more success bringing a non observant Jew closer to Hashem by a making a relationship/friendship with a him/her than a huge program(unless maybe it was consistent). Also try not making it sound like “potential” BTs are projects, they are people with feelings too.October 28, 2014 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1038408
“……pick up the phone and make a call, you’ll have more success bringing a non observant Jew closer to Hashem by a making a relationship/friendship with a him”
dial427436, was your above post the answer to the question “How are chassidishe yidden helping to be mekarev non religious Jews?”
Are you aware of any chassidishe yidden picking up the phone and making calls and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them?
Really now!?!? LETS NOT TALK FANTASY HERE!
I have many Chassidish friends and relatives, who are the nicest best and smartest people, whom I know well and deal with daily.
Im not aware of ONE of them who is picking up the phone and making calls, and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them.
How many Chassidish friends or relatives do YOU know who are picking up the phone and making calls, and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them?????????????????????????????????????October 28, 2014 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1038409
@azolis your right us chassidim are not really into the outreach thing. We prefer biker cholim and those style thingsOctober 28, 2014 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1038410
I don’t see what’s so funny! There are many chasidim who are quietly doing kiruv one on one without official projects and shabbatons. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be shabbos projects. Just pointing out that there is kiruv behind the scenes all the timeOctober 29, 2014 12:12 am at 12:12 am #1038412
@ivory good point why does it have to be a project people can do it one by oneOctober 29, 2014 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1038413
“why does it have to be a project people can do it one by one”
One by one is nice, but encouragement to do this by a Rebbe or Rebbes, and Mr Shtottys undertaking to do it, would be even nicer.
I admit, Chassidim have their Mitzvahs that theyre very Osek in, but the fact is, Kiruv very much strengthens the one who is doing Kiruv, not only the one that we are trying to be Mekarev. So its Win-Win.October 29, 2014 4:19 am at 4:19 am #1038414
The satmar rebbe was once asked why he didn’t send schluchim to other cities he replied because well become like them faster then they’ll become like usOctober 29, 2014 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1038416zahavasdadParticipant
We all know the famous explanation of what is the difference between Noach and Abraham
Noach kept to himself and did not try to improve anyone else. Avraham went out and sought to tell people about hashemOctober 29, 2014 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1038417
First if all, why do I have to keep on logging in?
Secondly I am not against a big shabbos project at all! Just suggesting that it can be done all the time one in one which people do anyway. Including chasidim.October 29, 2014 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1038418
Ivory, you hit the nail on the head, why does me picking up the phone need to be a public thing, maybe someone is looking for a the honor!?
AZOI.IS: I’m not interested in answering your question, this whole thread is you taking shots at a whole community/type of yidden(which to me sounds counter productive, would you tell that to your fellow “potential BTs”). This excitement of having a large Shabbos together is very beautiful but is hardly a success.October 29, 2014 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1038419
“Just suggesting that it can be done all the time one in one which people do anyway. Including chasidim.”
Thats great! I wish some of the New York Chassidim youre aware of who are doing the one on one, would be less modest and tell others how they go about this. This would make a great Jewish magazine article, for starters. Have I missed any?
Im aware of Israeli Chassidim and OOT Chassidim who are into Kiruv, few in New York. Id love to read about them.
Walking in the streets of BP on Shabbos, for years, I never see Chassidim walking with anyone not Chassidish. Have you?October 29, 2014 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1038420
You know when bp will have a Shabbos project when kiryas yoel has oneOctober 29, 2014 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1038421
I have definitely seen chasidish people walking with non chasidish.October 29, 2014 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1038422
*Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.
fixed-79October 29, 2014 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1038423
*Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.
Are you logging in to post on news stories? That logs you out of the coffeeroom-79October 29, 2014 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1038424BTGuyParticipant
If I may add, if there were to be a large event that was well advertised, I believe unknowing Jews would come.
Jews who do not know about Torah Judaism, when among religious Jews, will have tremendous respect and a lot of questions.
You may find them to be very accomplished/educated, good-natured, spiritual, thoughtful, and sincere. They just dont know about Torah, the Gedolim, and the Hashkafa of things.
Being mekariv someone is a very slow process of up and down and lateral movement. Like I heard someone once say, balei tshuva are expected to change almost everything about who they are and how they live and who they associate with. It is a big thing. Mitzvos cannot just be presented like a laundry list of “good deeds” with the approach that if you want to be a good person, just do all these things; the more the better.
Hatzlacha rabbah to all who try to add a little light to our brothers and sisters who just dont know, through no fault of their own.October 29, 2014 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1038425zahavasdadParticipant
There was a decent sized event in Queens and the entire community was asked to avertise and there was some public adversting as well
They were projected to get 200 people, Its likely about 60 showed upOctober 29, 2014 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1038426
It’s a mitzvah but chassidim have there own things were not really into kiruv
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