When will Boro Park have a Shabbos Project and host thousands of BTs?

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  • #614036

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    Just watching the Motzei Shabbos event, being shown on Yeshiva World, was a thrill, I can imagine what an inspiration this was for both hosts and participants and everyone who was involved!

    Like Ive heard Kiruv professionals say, being involved in Kiruv is inspiring also for those being Mekarev, and not only for the potential Baalei Teshuva.

    Two thousand BTs stayed in Flatbush and had planned events speakers and entertainment.

    When will Boro Park have a Shabbos Project?

    #1038376

    Joseph
    Participant

    Boro Park is close to 100% frum. Flatbush still has non-frum residents. It would be difficult to import thousands of frei yidden to Boro Park for a Shabbos. Where will thousands of irreligious Jews willingly come to BP from for an overnight stay?

    #1038377

    ivory
    Member

    I’m sure if its worked out well many non religious people from the outskirts if boro park would be interested

    #1038378

    Joseph
    Participant

    Which outskirts of BP? One side is Flatbush and the other side is the Asian neighborhood. And how many on the outskirts are there – and the ones there are are apt to go to frum folks in their own area.

    #1038379

    ivory
    Member

    I’m not going into nitpicking arguments. I’m pretty sure there are people who would come if it sounds interesting enough to them

    #1038380

    Joseph
    Participant

    Yeah, of course, some stragglers here and there. But the OP was talking about “thousands”.

    #1038381

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    I heard and read that people came from other states.

    Why do those who come have to be from Brooklyn or even New York?

    #1038382

    golfer
    Participant

    AZOI, you are not spending enough time here.

    If you did you would know that Brooklyn, NY is the center of the universe.

    Everyone from any other place (possibly, but not definitely, including Yerushalayim) is referred to as OOT.

    (OOT is a pejorative, not a compliment.)

    Try this experiment:

    Take a globe.

    Find Brooklyn.

    If you can’t, settle for NYC.

    Put your finger on the spot you have found.

    Notice- your finger is exactly at the center of the globe.

    See?

    #1038383

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    golfer – 😀

    #1038384

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Golfer, not true. Nowadays, Lakewood is also considered in town.

    #1038385

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If Brooklyn, NY were not the center of the universe, nobody would use the phrase “out-of-town city” because it would make no sense.

    #1038386

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    Im really ROTFL.

    But lets get serious!

    Who would perhaps set a Boro Park Shabbos Project into motion, cuz SOME (heehee) “in town” people do E X A C T L Y what the people they perceive to be shtotty do. Its the in town copycat syndrome.

    All we need is ONE “shtotty” person to involve themselves in a Shabbos Project and its D O N E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    People will be clamoring to get involved with Mr Shtotty and company.

    #1038387

    Joseph
    Participant

    But then no one will have anyone to invite. So they’ll end up inviting each other and it’ll all be one big happy family reunion.

    #1038388

    Jersey Jew
    Participant

    @lior,

    “Boro Park is close to 100% frum. Flatbush still has non-frum residents.”

    Keep dreamin’

    #1038389

    Joseph
    Participant

    Nu, Mark, what do you think is the demographic reality?

    #1038390

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    If a Mr. Shtotty in BP invites a potential BT from far out in the USA, so will all his wannabes invite potential BTs from far out in the USA! They will do exactly as he does.

    Mr. Shtotty in BP, are you listening?

    #1038391

    Joseph
    Participant

    That will bring in a few dozen cumulatively, at best, “from far out in the USA”, not “thousands”.

    #1038392

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “That will bring in a few dozen cumulatively, at best, “from far out in the USA”, not “thousands”.

    I disagree. Each Mr Shtotty in BP has at least a hundred wannabes. There are B”H many Mr Shtottys in BP, as evidenced by the numbers of really Shtotty houses in BP. You obviously arent too familiar with BP Shtotty personality (and numbers thereof) and wannabe mentality (and numbers thereof).

    #1038393

    Joseph
    Participant

    Even if that’s all true, there aren’t thousands of non-religious from across the USA that will be willing to fly to BP for a Shabbos.

    #1038394

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “Even if that’s all true, there aren’t thousands of non-religious from across the USA that will be willing to fly to BP for a Shabbos.”

    How about trains and buses from neighboring states?

    #1038395

    Joseph
    Participant

    Yes, I can see thousands of irreligious Jews lining up at their local Amtrak station to board the train to Penn Station on their way to their Shabbaton in Boro Park.

    Perhaps we can organize for them a Daf Yomi. 🙂

    #1038396

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “Yes, I can see thousands of irreligious Jews lining up at their local Amtrak station”

    So we might as well not even try to gauge the interest. Whats the value of one other religious Jew? GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNISHT? Big deal, right?

    Its been said that even if ONE person becomes frum as a result of a Shabbos project, its all worthwhile, because from ONE Jew, theres lots of potential Doros.

    But some people would rather be negative and lazy…

    #1038397

    Joseph
    Participant

    Oh, no, I’m all for it. I’m just saying let’s be accurate. It isn’t going to involve thousands. As a matter of reality it will be dozens. If relating realism is negative why not say that we can expect “hundreds of thousands” to participate.

    #1038398

    ivory
    Member

    I don’t think it’s not realistic to expect thousands to come or at least hundreds. If every family or even most families in bp invited one person you have thousands.

    #1038399

    You all have such a condescending attitude about BP H’kodesh. If any of the residents paid any attention to all the publicity put out (Project Inspire was coordinating the project for the Metro NY area), you’d know that the idea was to invite someone. Not necessarily someone from your neighborhood. But perhaps someone from your workplace, or someone you meet randomly. I’d suggest you all watch Project Inspire’s Tisha B’av videos again and see how, for example, the Traveling Chassidim evolved. A few years ago I was at Projet Inspire’s convention and met quite a number of Chassidic families from both Williamsburg and Monsey who were delighted to have non-frum people as Shabbos guests. In fact, they often have an “advantage” in attracting the non-frum because they frequently get bageled given their obviously Orthodox appearance. And where do the guests stay? In your homes, not hotels. We’re already pumping up for the Shabbos Project 2015 (Oct. 23-24). All you need is a few interested people to get involved in any given community.

    #1038400

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Isn’t Boro Park one of the neighborhoods where no one says “good Shabbos” to a stranger? For that reason alone a Shabbos project wouldn’t work in BP. Anyway, I don’t think there’s enough room in overcrowded BP for additional thousands of people.

    #1038401

    ivory
    Member

    For one shabbos we can squeeze in more people. Like for instance when some big rabbis come from out of town hundreds or maybe thousands of chasidim manage to find places to stay.

    #1038402

    dial427436
    Member

    If you really cared about each Jew you wouldn’t wait for some “shtotty” guy to make some project. Make the calls and invite the secular yiddin yourself.

    #1038403

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “If you really cared about each Jew you wouldn’t wait for some “shtotty” guy to make some project. Make the calls and invite the secular yiddin yourself”

    Thats a beautiful idea!

    But I think the special programming, special davening, Motzei Shabbos Ruach, and the fact that the whole community was involved together made it even more meaningful. Potential BTs might not click with most BP Shuls regular goings on, with Rebbes speaking in Yiddish, etc. Some of the mostly Chassidish Shuls in BP would have to have English speakers, more in tune with potential BTs.

    #1038404

    ivory
    Member

    I don’t think English speakers is a problem in many shuls in boro park.

    #1038405

    dial427436
    Member

    Your excitement of planning/having an event is blinding you to what kiruv is and how to bring people close to the Hashem. There are plenty of chassidishe yidden that help mekarev non religious Jews and don’t need a huge program, as nice as it may be.

    #1038406

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “There are plenty of chassidishe yidden that help mekarev non religious Jews and don’t need a huge program, as nice as it may be”

    Please inspire me with how to inspire. How are chassidishe yidden helping to be mekarev non religious Jews?

    #1038407

    dial427436
    Member

    Like I said before pick up the phone and make a call, you’ll have more success bringing a non observant Jew closer to Hashem by a making a relationship/friendship with a him/her than a huge program(unless maybe it was consistent). Also try not making it sound like “potential” BTs are projects, they are people with feelings too.

    #1038408

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    dial427436, ROTFL!

    “……pick up the phone and make a call, you’ll have more success bringing a non observant Jew closer to Hashem by a making a relationship/friendship with a him”

    dial427436, was your above post the answer to the question “How are chassidishe yidden helping to be mekarev non religious Jews?”

    Are you aware of any chassidishe yidden picking up the phone and making calls and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them?

    Really now!?!? LETS NOT TALK FANTASY HERE!

    I have many Chassidish friends and relatives, who are the nicest best and smartest people, whom I know well and deal with daily.

    Im not aware of ONE of them who is picking up the phone and making calls, and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them.

    How many Chassidish friends or relatives do YOU know who are picking up the phone and making calls, and having success in bringing non observant Jews closer to Hashem by a making relationships/friendships with a them?????????????????????????????????????

    #1038409

    vayoel moshe
    Member

    @azolis your right us chassidim are not really into the outreach thing. We prefer biker cholim and those style things

    #1038410

    ivory
    Member

    I don’t see what’s so funny! There are many chasidim who are quietly doing kiruv one on one without official projects and shabbatons. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be shabbos projects. Just pointing out that there is kiruv behind the scenes all the time

    #1038412

    vayoel moshe
    Member

    @ivory good point why does it have to be a project people can do it one by one

    #1038413

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “why does it have to be a project people can do it one by one”

    One by one is nice, but encouragement to do this by a Rebbe or Rebbes, and Mr Shtottys undertaking to do it, would be even nicer.

    I admit, Chassidim have their Mitzvahs that theyre very Osek in, but the fact is, Kiruv very much strengthens the one who is doing Kiruv, not only the one that we are trying to be Mekarev. So its Win-Win.

    #1038414

    vayoel moshe
    Member

    The satmar rebbe was once asked why he didn’t send schluchim to other cities he replied because well become like them faster then they’ll become like us

    #1038416

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    We all know the famous explanation of what is the difference between Noach and Abraham

    Noach kept to himself and did not try to improve anyone else. Avraham went out and sought to tell people about hashem

    #1038417

    ivory
    Member

    First if all, why do I have to keep on logging in?

    Secondly I am not against a big shabbos project at all! Just suggesting that it can be done all the time one in one which people do anyway. Including chasidim.

    #1038418

    dial427436
    Member

    Ivory, you hit the nail on the head, why does me picking up the phone need to be a public thing, maybe someone is looking for a the honor!?

    AZOI.IS: I’m not interested in answering your question, this whole thread is you taking shots at a whole community/type of yidden(which to me sounds counter productive, would you tell that to your fellow “potential BTs”). This excitement of having a large Shabbos together is very beautiful but is hardly a success.

    #1038419

    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “Just suggesting that it can be done all the time one in one which people do anyway. Including chasidim.”

    Thats great! I wish some of the New York Chassidim youre aware of who are doing the one on one, would be less modest and tell others how they go about this. This would make a great Jewish magazine article, for starters. Have I missed any?

    Im aware of Israeli Chassidim and OOT Chassidim who are into Kiruv, few in New York. Id love to read about them.

    Walking in the streets of BP on Shabbos, for years, I never see Chassidim walking with anyone not Chassidish. Have you?

    #1038420

    vayoel moshe
    Member

    You know when bp will have a Shabbos project when kiryas yoel has one

    #1038421

    ivory
    Member

    I have definitely seen chasidish people walking with non chasidish.

    #1038422

    ivory
    Member

    *Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.

    fixed-79

    #1038423

    ivory
    Member

    *Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.

    Are you logging in to post on news stories? That logs you out of the coffeeroom-79

    #1038424

    BTGuy
    Participant

    If I may add, if there were to be a large event that was well advertised, I believe unknowing Jews would come.

    Jews who do not know about Torah Judaism, when among religious Jews, will have tremendous respect and a lot of questions.

    You may find them to be very accomplished/educated, good-natured, spiritual, thoughtful, and sincere. They just dont know about Torah, the Gedolim, and the Hashkafa of things.

    Being mekariv someone is a very slow process of up and down and lateral movement. Like I heard someone once say, balei tshuva are expected to change almost everything about who they are and how they live and who they associate with. It is a big thing. Mitzvos cannot just be presented like a laundry list of “good deeds” with the approach that if you want to be a good person, just do all these things; the more the better.

    Hatzlacha rabbah to all who try to add a little light to our brothers and sisters who just dont know, through no fault of their own.

    #1038425

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There was a decent sized event in Queens and the entire community was asked to avertise and there was some public adversting as well

    They were projected to get 200 people, Its likely about 60 showed up

    #1038426

    vayoel moshe
    Member

    It’s a mitzvah but chassidim have there own things were not really into kiruv

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