Where is Hashem?

Ard. Do you have a point to refute what I said cuz I’m arguing _for_ Torah misinai and you still have no argument only insults

Ard it can only _be_ a rulebook if it makes sense. Ard. Not wanting to argue cuz your cliquey mentality can’t handle a difference of opinion means I’m going to assume that you really have no real argument. No I don’t agree it’s truth as it takes the foundation it’s stands on, the written word and takes a lot of it out of context. If the foundation of the Torah shebaal peh is the written word shouldn’t it fallow what the written word says? Second….why also do none of the biblical figures keep the oral tradition at all? If it really was Torah misinai and why is it that all the rules of Torah she baal peh fallow every single red flag of manipulation

Also defined laws are already written in the written word. Why do we need more rules. And it also says do not add or subtract to my word. So who gives us the authority to add. The point is tho I do appreciate Torah shebaal peh and our very rich heritage, the truth will always stand stronger then the manipulations of whichever authority figure had a power grab during the temples distraction cuz if not biblical figure kept Torah shebaal peh and it was only suddenly written down at a certain period in time by people who claim to be like G-ds cuz they were so “holy” and can’t be questioned, what was their agenda and why are they hiding from us the simple truth

I am great enough because every single person was inbued with common sense and a moral filter. Given us by Devine right. When you read a book you use discernment on every level with every person and with every place and with everything even G-d expects you to discern for yourself what the truth is cuz he created you and knows how he designed you. Only normal corrupt individuals looking for control try to control a population through fear. And manipulation. That’s a human attribute that cannot and will never be something G-d does. So who wrote the Torah. Moshe brought it down from sania. Yes. But whoever added to G-ds word had an agenda. They cut pieces and took things that weren’t there to create some form of control. Anyone with half a brain can see it. Wakeup. Even our rituals are coming from roots in sorcery. Havadala. They use fire. Nails, cloves. That is some form of spiritual sorcery. Just cuz you want to be a sheep doesn’t mean you know anything at all. Please start to live in reality. Cuz reality itself will teach you things people will hide from you. Start learning and living same way you learned what the color green is. Go look at some trees to discern different colors and stop crying that an authority figure can’t teach you abc cuz you don’t want to learn about nuance and truth. Actual truth

I am very happy to be called a sheep. וְאַתֵּ֥ן צֹאנִ֛י צֹ֥אן מַרְעִיתִ֖י אָדָ֣ם אַתֶּ֑ם אֲנִי֙ אֱלֹ֣הֵיכֶ֔ם נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֥י יֱהֹוִֽה

Baaa.

And that whole sentence has more to do with the Shepard guiding his sheep and being part of klal and a loving G-d. Being a “sheep” euphemism means not having a brain and being dumb. Very different

none2.0,

“and don’t lie that your happy to be a sheep. Your just pandering to what you were told to say your whole life now you can use the “slogan” and feel like you fit in your doing the “right” thing. None in the right mind wants to be called a sheep.”

To quote Tolkien: “That word comes too oft and easy from your lips … I do not lie.” And you know nothing about my life or what I was told or taught. Call me a sheep! יְהֹוָ֥ה רֹ֜עִ֗י לֹ֣א אֶחְסָֽר

Baaa.

none2.0,

“Being a “sheep” euphemism means not having a brain and being dumb.”

Aha, so you’re intending to insult?

Baaa.

You are so dead wrong cuz that is the evil inclinations telling you to love what you hate and hate what you love. What about respecting yourself and limiting yourself in the ways that work for you. why would a loving G-d create you with a very specific design and then tell you to overcome your nature. This is not about being an animal this about not overextending your energy in a way that becomes a burden overtime. You know it’s not good for man to be alone. If a man is alone for too long his mind breaks down. His body breaks down. His thoughts become neorotic. His soul and entire system cannot handle being alone. We were also designed to be falable in different areas so when someone comes into our lives we naturaly complement the things we aren’t good at so two halves become a whole. Imagine I told you to overcome your nature and do everything alone. The stress and the hardship your life will take will be beyond what you were designed to handle. And then imagine I told you your feelings of stress is just the “yerzer hara” do you not see the game the monster (the yerzer hara which is the voice of manipulation) is playing on _you_. I’m not talking about being responsible I’m taking about selling your soul for the “good” of others. Remind me what communism is. Yes that’s a form of communism albiet with self.

That’s where your wrong again. More is not expected of you actually. G-d says do not add to my word. Aka do not add laws that were not there. Do not add to nature. Do not add at all..hello. We pick and choose what we listen to don’t we.

none2.0,

“Can you delay eating? For a time maybe. But then your body breaks down. Can you delay sleeping for a time but then your body breaks down.”

Most people can absolutely delay eating and sleeping. 6 fast days and the occasional late night like the seder nights or tikkun leil Shavuos are not harmful and do not cause the body to break down. In fact, many dieticians now say that occasional fasting is good for the body. If, during a fast, someone begins to feel ill, he takes measures to protect his body as truly needed. Some people have constitutions or circumstances that are different, and fasting for them is dangerous. They are not required to fast, and in some cases a rabbi will have to adjure them to eat on the fast day because they don’t want to break the fast. Also, the Chofetz Chaim would walk into his beis medrash at night and send the yeshiva students trying to pry their eyes open to learn all night to bed. So I don’t know what belief system you’re talking about that doesn’t take bodily needs into account. It’s certainly not mine.

“Controlling and delaying your natural inclinations which is actually your human needs has moral consequences.”

You are confusing an inclination with a need. They are not the same thing. Some people have an inclination to become physically violent towards anyone who they feel has insulted them. Shouldn’t this inclination be suppressed, even if the person gets a stomachache over it? There’s moral consequences to not controlling that inclination! And some people have needs with no accompanying inclination. Many people cannot clearly perceive their thirst, and can end up dangerously dehydrated before they realize something is wrong. My belief system does not require me to ignore needs, but does expect me to resist bad inclinations. And better for your soul than resisting bad inclinations all the time is to improve yourself so those inclinations wane!

“Being too stringent with self actually over time breaks down the mind and spirit and separated a person from self.”

Moreso does a lack of stringency.

“I understand why your saying beast and using that horrid word to make it as if being human and having needs makes a person a mindster.”

Not at all. I know dogs that are affectionate with their owners, and that are gentle and happy creatures overall. Others are aggressive and bite. The thing is that dogs can only live by their inclinations, and they cannot change their inclinations. They are trained by directing their inclinations – you command them to “leave it” when they see a treat on the table, and then reward them with a better treat. You cannot explain to a dog that it’s morally wrong to take food from the table that is not theirs. And that’s ok for a dog. A true monster is a human being who only lives by and never changes his inclinations, because he can bring to bear his vast human intellect to further his bad inclinations. Dogs, for example, cannot take vengeance.

“it’s filled with discipline separates a person from self.”

Discipline doesn’t separate a person from self, it brings him closer to a better self.

“But to constantly shut down yourself for another’s opinion or way of thinking”

That’s the thing. It’s not another’s opinion or way of thinking. It’s mine. I have made it my own.

“Imagine your whole life being on a diet. Sounds like he ll to me”

That’s why it’s better to develop a healthy and consistent lifestyle overall rather than gorge on whatever sugary or fried things look and taste so good in the moment until you can’t see your feet under your belly, and then desperately try to slim down on an unsustainable and unpleasant diet. A healthy lifestyle allows for occasional sugary foods or fried foods. But in recognition that they are treats, not staples, and in recognition that even with treats you can choose healthier. Yiddishkeit is a lot like this – a healthy and consistent lifestyle for your neshama that binds you to Hashem.

none2.0,

“More is not expected of you actually.”

If someone were to challenge me to state what the polar opposite of Torah was in one sentence, I think this would be it.

“Aka do not add laws that were not there.”

Open up the megillas Esther and see what Mordechai and Esther did at the end. They sent letters out telling the Jews to do mishloach manos, matanos le’evyonim, and a mishte on Purim from then on. And we do it to this day. Do you condemn them for that? Do you know better than them?

First of all gathering wood is working lol

Oh but I said. Read the _whole_ message. Understand the entire thing. Stop nitpicking

Your reading the wrong Torah then lol. Mordichai and Esther’s laws don’t control our entirety of our marriages and every day lives and halacha does. Do you miss the point. Purposely Everytime

Occasional fasting. Notice the word occasional. Were you to fast everyday your body would begin to break down. You can drink unhelathy foods once in a while but were you to do it everyday as a habit you will get sick. The point is an overly critical life is not healthy as your whole psychosomatic internal clock becomes so controlled and unhappy.

Making someone else’s opinion your own doesn’t mean it’s your own oppionion it means Everytime you do something a little peace of your true self gets squished down again. And again cuz your forcing yourself to agree either through fear or control to something you may deep down not actually agree with

I love how you think tho that I don’t believe in descipline. I do believe in Devine descipline, when you actually deserve it. In real life. Also I believe in descipline in your own life _when you need it_ or when you need to get up and do what you have to do. But I don’t believe in pushing yourself for someone else’s way of thinking that’s not honoring yourself. And your own needs. G-d is like a parent. When you cross the street and your in danger. He says uh uh don’t go there. When you are rebellious he gives you an onesh. It’s not punishment it’s descipline there’s a difference. It’s easier to respect an authority figure who loves you and who is just then to take a human intrepreation of something that generally is not in context with real life and real needs and fellow that. When G-d says do not steal for _i_ am G-d He is activating a cerebral innate instinct inside us that respects authority. But an authority above us. Which is G-d himself. No human can match G-d.

none2.0,

“Your so slow. It’s like talking to a wall.”

You wrote above that we can judge a tree by its fruits. That’s from a passage in the Christian gospels, the book of Matthew 7:15-20 to be precise. Maybe that’s revealing of your background. But whatever. After yet another round of personal attacks instead of any cogent response to some pretty basic questions, I must say I’m not too impressed with the fruit you’re revealing.

If you ran a school and told the kids “curfew is at 10” and expect the kids to know a priori what a curfew is, and punish a kid severely for being in the hallway after 10 for any reason, you’d have a nightmare school. Obviously you’ve never worked with kids. Or people. Thank G-d that His Torah, and the world He created isn’t anything like you think it is.

I see no reason to continue this debate.

Right as if you know my background. I was under the impression that was in the Torah. Now, if a kid doesn’t know what the word curfew is and what 10:00 is their special needs.

tree by fruits – I think we have similar allusions in our traditions. Pirkei Avot, 5:19 compare students of Avraham with students of Bilaam. Some explain that teachers themselves both might look respectful, but students show what they were really teaching.