March 15, 2011 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #595723
Chochma BaGoyim Taamin.
Please share your thoughts.
Is there any famous Gentile, dead or alive who you admire, and for what reason?March 15, 2011 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #960588hanibParticipant
Madeline L’engile – would be great if we could write such deep, thought-provoking books on healthy Jewish people as she does for goyim.
(i don’t know her personally, and really i don’t admire any goyim per se, cuz what i admire most is someone who truly works on their middos in order to serve Hashem, and not for ulterior motives – and see that to much greater extent among Jews than among non-Jews).March 15, 2011 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #960589eclipseMember
Rudy Giuliani-I think he was an exemplary leader during 9/11.March 15, 2011 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #960590Derech HaMelechMember
I don’t think that chochmah bagoyim means to be inspired from them. Just that if they tell you that 2+3=5 then you can believe them.March 15, 2011 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #960591Princess123Member
i would admire the queen of england because she’s tznius even though technically she doesnt have to be. also anyone who is a gentile and manages to stay sane and not get into trouble i think is pretty impressive. the world is like quick sand…March 15, 2011 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #960592HeshyMember
The American poet Edgar Guest. If you read some of his work you will see that he had a lot of “common sense” which he was able to convey in a beautiful way.March 15, 2011 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #960593
I have many actually.
I would say Raoul Wallenberg, Oscar Shindler , Irena Sendler(for obvious reasons)
On a lighter note, Colin Powell, Princess Diana (all her humanitarian work) Leonardo Da Vinci , Winston Churchill,….March 15, 2011 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #960594GrandmasterMember
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I don’t think that chochmah bagoyim means to be inspired from them. Just that if they tell you that 2+3=5 then you can believe them.
Agreed 100%!March 15, 2011 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #960595☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Just that if they tell you that 2+3=5 then you can believe them.
Why would you need them to tell you that? 🙂March 15, 2011 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #960596Feif UnParticipant
I wouldn’t say that the person inspires me as a whole. There are certain things I admire about different people. One person mentioned Schindler before. Obviously what he did was amazing, and it inspires me. However, don’t forget Schindler’s darker side – he was a known womanizer who was not faithful to his wife.
You can be inspired by almost anyone. Just don’t forget that it’s only the one area, and you might not want to copy them in other areas.March 15, 2011 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #960597yunger mannMember
Well said Derech Hamelech. Chochma Bagoyim has nothing to do with this.March 15, 2011 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #960598
Silvio Berlusconi (his personal life notwithstanding)
and all others who fight against darkness even when it is not popular to do so – this of course includes Chiune Sugihara as well as the names mentioned above and others who saved Jews during WW2.
Pope John XXIII (Angelo Roncalli)
Pope John Paul IIMarch 16, 2011 12:04 am at 12:04 am #960599
Fred Phelps (the Moshe Ber Beck of notzrus)
Muzzie Hussain (of beheading fame)
and of course Mad Mahmoud AhmadinejadMarch 16, 2011 12:16 am at 12:16 am #960600guy-ochoMember
Justin BieberMarch 16, 2011 12:25 am at 12:25 am #960601YW Moderator-67Member
The American soldiers of World War 2 who went charging out of their landing craft onto the beaches of Normandy (to fight the nazis-yemach shemam), knowing full well that they very likely would not make it to the beach alive.
Those men had something most are missing today.
The feeling that there is something (a cause, a country) more important in this world than ME.
Today most young people feel there is NOTHING more important than ME.March 16, 2011 12:50 am at 12:50 am #960602
Corrie Ten Boom
Robert Welch (Founder of the John Birch Society)
All of the Righteous Gentiles
All of the Bnei Noach
Dr. Larry McDonald
Sister Rose Thering
Joe McCarthyMarch 16, 2011 12:51 am at 12:51 am #960603
67, as brave as they were, they were drafted soldiers following orders. At home, they could have been the worst bigots, the most dishonest of men, the most violent wife-beaters, but once drafted they became part of something bigger than they were which was ordered to do something.
Anyone who has been in a situation where there is a crowd mentality, which, I am the first to admit, includes being part of a Jewish community, knows that following the crowd just about comes naturally, even when it comes to something you would not ordinarily want to do.
It is those who do right when they are ordered to do wrong, or those who do good when living in a society where evil is considered right, who are the ones truly worthy of admiration.
Oh, and some of those soldiers were Jewish: ” The American cemetery, in Colleville-sur-Mer, contains row upon row of identical white crosses and Stars of David, immaculately kept, commemorating the American dead.:” (Wiki which I assume is correct in this case).March 16, 2011 1:00 am at 1:00 am #960604
I also have tremendous admiration for all of those who fight totalitarian oppression and genocide in all its forms- whether it was Nazism, Communism, or nowadays, Radical Islamism. Long live the US Military.March 16, 2011 1:01 am at 1:01 am #960605zahavasdadParticipant
There are 50 Japanese volunteers fighting the nuclear meltdown of a reactor in Japan
These people are doing so at great risk to their own lives so that others will not be harmed.
edited. We get a little touchy about outside links.March 16, 2011 1:15 am at 1:15 am #960606emc2Member
William Wilberforce.March 16, 2011 1:21 am at 1:21 am #960607MindOverChatterParticipant
Raul Wollenberg (rescued tons of Yidden during WWII)March 16, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am #960609mikehall12382Member
homer simpsonMarch 16, 2011 3:20 am at 3:20 am #960610GrandmasterMember
Interesting selection Mike. About as good a selection as most of the selections others made above.March 16, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #960611ItcheSrulikMember
Raphael Molino (a current US army sargeant)
Mark DeLorenzo (another one)
Thomas Paine (his attitude towards religion notwithstanding)
and several othersMarch 16, 2011 5:36 am at 5:36 am #960612
I like Sowell and Walter Williams. Williams’ memoir, Up from the Projects, is an inspiration.March 16, 2011 5:42 am at 5:42 am #960613Papa BearMember
Dr ,suess. Berenstain bears, clifford ,Amelia bedila,March 16, 2011 5:55 am at 5:55 am #960614
‘Just that if they tell you that 2+3=5 then you can believe them. ‘
I think all the names you see listed from posters are pple who exceed that.
I meant to say, that normally one is inspired by those you can learn from.March 16, 2011 9:13 am at 9:13 am #960615
We forgot Homer Simpson’s cousin, OJ.
Seriously, it is interesting no one mentioned Abraham Lincoln or George Washington.
And I forgot Rudolph Giuliani.March 16, 2011 10:14 am at 10:14 am #960616ZachKessinMember
Lets see (Sticking to people who are more or less modern)
Dave Ramsey, I find his advice on personal finance and the number of people he has helped amazing.
There are others but most of them are computer people.
Oh and anyone who will charge into a building burning to save strangers!March 16, 2011 10:35 am at 10:35 am #960617drunkenmonkeyMember
Current prime minister of Canada Stephen Harper. He is ready to put his whole political stance in jeopardy just to prove that Israel is right and the arabs are the murderers.March 16, 2011 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #960618☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
??? ?? ?????March 16, 2011 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #960619mikehall12382Member
Big BirdMarch 16, 2011 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #960620tralalaMember
in the post of 600 kilo bear, he says:
Fred Phelps (the Moshe Ber Beck of notzrus), i don’t think this belongs on ywn…March 16, 2011 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #960621Josh31Participant
Our Governor Rick Perry:
He has kept Texas business friendly and prosperous, encouraged doctors to see Medicare patients thru malpractice reform and welcomed the evacuees from Katrina.March 16, 2011 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #960622AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
re: Your comments to Moderator 67…
It is of course true that the draft existed then.
My father, z”l, was part of that draft, and part of that army, so I am also well aware that there were many Jews in the army.
I am also well aware that during the Vietnam war era, there was also a draft, but despite that, despite “having to follow orders”, many opted to go to Canada or to jail and NOT to serve. I am not judging them, but we really did not find that happening in WW2. Many even enlisted and were not drafted because they wanted a chaylek in fighting the nazi (and japanese) enemy. Many even enlisted when they were too young to be drafted, and faked their age on their ID.
Of course, without question, everything is ultimately decided by HKB”H, but let’s just say that b’derech ha’teva, without those men Mod-67 spoke of, WE would all be dead, and our goyish neighbors would be speaking german.
I am sure it is true that many American troops were not tzadikim in their personal lives, especially by our standards, but let’s not take away or minimize the huge zechus that these men earned by risking, and in many cases sacrificing, life and limb for a cause greater than themselves.March 16, 2011 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #960623gavra_at_workParticipant
Also all those who keep the sheva mitzvos. It really isn’t easy.March 16, 2011 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #960624SJSinNYCMember
Willie RandolphMarch 16, 2011 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #960625ursula momishMember
Wallenberg, Sugihara, Nicholas Winston.
Noach. Yisro, Rus.March 16, 2011 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #960626HaLeiViParticipant
Walter MittyMarch 16, 2011 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #960627mosheemes2Member
Re 600 Kilo Bear,
A few years ago I read a diary written in the 1930’s by a lawyer who was clerking on the Supreme Court at the time who has a digression about his friendship with a group of Civil War veterans who came to Washington. He goes on at length about how he doesn’t think anyone in his time would be capable of the sort selflessness that those (now very elderly) men had had. 10 years later, it was clear he was wrong. People do rise to the occasion when their times demand it.
Really for that reason also seconding the 180 nuclear scientists in Japan. I almost cry thinking about it.March 16, 2011 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #960628
He was a rasha who committed genocide.March 16, 2011 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #960629
Cromwell was a philo-Semite, and readmitted the Jews to England. He was a close friend of Menashe Ben Israel, and Cromwell permitted Jews to worship in private as they had done prior to the petitioning, and within months a synagogue and burial ground were allowed. He is responsible for a significant advance in Anglo-Jewish relations.March 16, 2011 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #960630
Charges of genocide are debatable and do a disservice to those true victims of genocide. Who did Cromwell “genocide”? The Jew-hating Irish?March 16, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #960631
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Sam Clemens (Mark Twain)
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Carl Gustav von Mannerheim
Cardinal John Henry Newman
Pope John XXIII
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I could probably come up with a lot more if I spent more than five minutes on it.March 16, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #960632gavra_at_workParticipant
Arguable. The Irish Campaign was really the best way to get them out of the way, after they had signed a royalist treaty. He still did have to worry about the rest of the Isles. Placing the fear of G-d in them to never rebel possibly saved the most lives, over having additional rebellions.March 16, 2011 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #960633
‘Who did Cromwell “genocide”? The Jew-hating Irish?’
At the same time he as letting a few Jews into England, he was committing genocide against the Irish. Who, by the way, are not Jew haters at all. Please name a single Jew who has been killed in an Irish pogrom. There has been less anti-Semitism in Irish history than in the history of any other country in Europe. Not for nothing was Rav Herzog z’tz’l called the “Sinn Fein Rabbi”. (Would that the modern Sinn Fein would pay attention to its history!)March 16, 2011 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #960634zahavasdadParticipant
How about the FDNY and NYPD members who ran up the WTC AFTER they were hit by the planes and many gave up their lives to save othersMarch 16, 2011 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #960635CharlieSmallMember
Eli Manning, Derek Jeter & Amare (although he might be jewish), they seem like nice people and they play for the Giants, Yankees and Knicks respectively. 🙂March 16, 2011 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #960636A23Participant
Antonin Scalia (there are a lot of other people in the law that inspire me, but most of them are Jewish, e.g., Brandeis and Posner)
Warren BuffettMarch 16, 2011 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #960637
“Placing the fear of G-d in them to never rebel possibly saved the most lives, over having additional rebellions. “
I’m horrified that this can be written on a Jewish site. Gavra, by that logic Hadrian’s genocide after the Bar Kochba revolt was justified. Ditto Nebuzaradan’s murder of three million of our fellows.
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