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    Loshenhora
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    Geordie 613
    Is it not the Gateshead rov ?

    #1615881

    Yabia Omer
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    There is no “Gadol Hador” in America. Ki MITZION tetze Torah. You cannot compare the level of Torah of Israel to that of America. It’s like comparing a Av Bet Din to a Bar Mitzvah boy. Besides, Gadol Hador is a recent (Ashkenazic) invention. Back in the day, there was a Rav of one’s city, community, etc and that’s who people would go to for questions.

    #1615892

    make a point
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    The Sephardic Yeshivah world doesn’t move without the word of Hacham Yosef Harari-Rafoul
    but do we count Sephardim?

    #1616084

    crazykanoiy
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    If you read the frum media you would conclude that it is Donald Trump.

    #1616191

    1
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    CK,

    If you read Jewish lib media, it’s Obama.

    #1616522

    BABAKAMA
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    how about rav yaakov bender and rabbi pinchos lipshutz?
    they lead in giving daas torah every week

    #1616636

    Right of course
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    RDF?

    #1616668

    Joseph
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    Skulener Rebbe.

    #1616684

    Toi
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    yabia omer- what are you ‘hocking’ that’s utterly cookoo.

    I assume the true answer in America is R’ Shmuel or R’ Dovid. I believe are held by their esteemed colleagues to be above the rest. If we’re handling kano’im, which we’re not, they obviously would not fit the bill.

    #1616697

    Joseph
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    Toi: Rav Aharon added Rav Dovid to the Moetzes and Rav Dovid generally aligns with Rav Aharon (who apparently is the most powerful voice) on it.

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    apushatayid
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    What a waste of pixels. Whoever you write, someone will write something else. Even Moshe rabenu had his eruv rav.

    #1616793

    Uncle Ben
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    Joseph; When & where do the Moetzes make their deliberations public?

    #1616824

    Joseph
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    Uncle Ben: Sometimes they issue a statement. Generally they don’t make it public. But even when they don’t some folks are usually privy to it nevertheless.

    #1616931

    Toi
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    Joseph- R Dovid is the foremost posek in NA, regarded as such by everyone afaik. I suppose R’ Shmuel and R Shloime Miller would come in 2nd/3rd in whatever order you decide. I don’t pretend to be privy to the deliberations of any moetzeses, and you can believe what you want, but R Dovid is held in higher regard than R Ahron. You just like him because he’s also a pretty intense kanoi. Say it aint so, joe.

    #1617023

    Joseph
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    Toi: Foremost posek doesn’t always make one the foremost godol hador. Rav Shteinman wasn’t the foremost posek but was the foremost godol.

    #1617025

    Joseph
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    On the Moetzes Rav Aharon, Rav Dovid, Rav Wachtfogel, Rav Feldman and Rav Kotler are generally on the same page with each other.

    #1617026

    Joseph
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    Toi: Rav Miller shlita is considered to be one of the biggest kanoim as well.

    #1617089

    Takes2-2tango
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    JosephParticipant
    On the Moetzes Rav Aharon, Rav Dovid, Rav Wachtfogel, Rav Feldman and Rav Kotler are generally on the same page with each other.
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    Same book ? Maybe.
    Same page hardly ever.
    Especially rav ahron and rav dovid. These 2 are never on the same page, even when thier signature’s appear on a kol korey

    #1617303

    Yabia Omer
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    says who??

    #1617414

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    I think Rav Dovid and Rabbi Kamenetsky are more referenced as gadolim at least in the Balhabatish world. Along with the Israeli poskim, of course. I do not often hear people bring down shittas from most of the other names being mentioned here.

    It’s all just anecdotal evidence, though. Most people don’t try to call the biggest rabbi of the generation every time they have a shailah.

    #1617419

    Joseph
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    Takes2: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Rav Dovid and Rav Aharon are almost always on the same page, more than anyone else in fact. Indeed, it was Rav Aharon who brought Rav Dovid unto the Moetzes.

    #1617390

    Yabia Omer
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    I have one question that no one will be able to properly answer. Who decides who is and who is not the “Gadol”?
    Is there some sort of council that we are all bound to that decides? And isn’t it a little yehoradik to even have an opinion on the matter? Who are we to decide such things?

    Furthermore, it is possible that there is a Talmid Chacham in some town that no one talks about who is greater in chochma than who we consider the Gedolim. Because he is not mefursam, does that take away from his Gadlus?

    Like I say, “Gadol Hador” is a recent (Ashkenazic) invention. La haya velo nivra. Yes there were people that were Gadol BaTorah and whose opinions we follow (Rambam, Noda BIhuda, etc.) but for the VAST majority of Jews, they consulted with their local rav or Dayan. They did not travel to Jerusalem and line up to ask a 3 second question to a rabbi.

    Finally, what do you guys mean by “Kanoi”? If you mean someone who is fanatical, then why is that a Ma’ala that should be valued? In our lands, fanaticism did not exist and was not valued. All of our rabbis were pleasant, wise and moderate. Rabbis who scream “Reshoim! Gevaald!” do not impress us. It shows a lack of substance. You guys will never understand this point of view because it is not in your spiritual DNA to understand it. Hamevin yavin.

    #1617439

    Meno
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    I have one question that no one will be able to properly answer. Who decides who is and who is not the “Gadol”?

    What do you think the purpose of this thread is?

    #1617443

    Joseph
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    #1617447

    Joseph
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    Yabia: Sephardim also have kanoim like Pinchas who will stick a dagger into someone who befarhesia stampedes against Torah law.

    #1617467

    “Is a recent invention”
    False
    though it wasn’t relatively realistic until

    Rav Yitzchok Elchonon At his hesped was mourned repeatedly
    as Rabban Shel Kol Bnei HaGolah

    They asked the Maspid “Why did you go at length to say this why didn’t you just say The Gadol Hadar”
    Response:
    אז רב יהושע לייב ווינט בירושלים

    #1617470

    StuartW
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    The fact that there are 125 plus posts on this thread os proof that there is no universally-accepted gadol hador at this time.
    Sorry folks, now you can back to your lives.

    #1617505

    apushatayid
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    Stewart Rosen. He is President. (thank you Manta).

    #1617634

    Takes2-2tango
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    JosephParticipant
    Takes2: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Rav Dovid and Rav Aharon are almost always on the same page, more than anyone else in fact. Indeed, it was Rav Aharon who brought Rav Dovid unto the Moetzes.
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    Joseph. U can try bring proof from today till the cows come home but i will tell u again tjat they are not on the same page for the most part. I know this first hand because I’m mishpacha with rav dovid. And i know othereose. Im not at liberty to say more.

    #1617655

    Toi
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    Joe- Honestly, when you categorically state that people don’t know what they’re talking about, you’re trying to win an argument with a sledgehammer. Why in the world would anyone take you seriously when you base your opinions on some sort of secret access to how other Gedolim relate to each other. Funny that you think R” Shteinman wasthe GH, I definitely had you pinned for an eitznik…

    #1617720

    Ferd
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    rav elya brudny makes every single decision in the agudah. the novaminsker not only wanted him to jojin the moetes a few years ago, but wanted to hand him the reigns as the “rosh hamoetzes”. rav brudny refused, but it is a known fact that he makes every single decision and the agudah board speaks to him daily.

    #1617719

    achdus
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    Joseph has no clue what he is talking about. I truthfully do not know where to even start from.

    #1- Rav Wachtfogel has never in his entire life even been to a Moetzes meeting. He has nothing to do with the Agudah. he has never even been to an Agudah convention, nor a Agudah dinner.

    #2- Rav Dovid hasnever in his entire life ever said one word other tahn “when is Mincha” at a meeting. So no idea where anyone can possibly know who he sides with.

    #3- Rav Aron is not “apparently is the most powerful voice” on the Moetzes. Perhaps 10 years ago.

    #1617749

    Takes2-
    I happen to be mishpacha With Reb Dovid also
    And while you having to be right about this one
    For virtually everything else shows a dubious connection

    ChongRymer,et al

    Rav Shmuel Told me albeit several Years ago
    the powers are R Aaron Schechter and the NovoMinsker

    #1617764

    Right of course
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    I forgot, can someone remind me, what is it that the Agudah does for us?

    #1617839

    TRUMP FAN
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    i think the gadol hador is haham yosef harari raful shlita

    #1620475

    sefardi27
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    To make a point:Why would Sephardim not count are they not jewish!? Do they not have gdolim!? Start thinking with achdus.

    #1620514

    Sephardic Jews had a ראשון לציון and חכם בשי

    #1620596

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Wait, Pinchas was Sphardi? Hm, must be a midrash I hadn’t learned yet.

    #1620649

    zahavasdad
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    The Agudah is more of a political organization than a Halachic one

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