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Two candidates are running in a meaningful election.
One has vowed to do whatever he can to ban or severely restrict bris milah (and in this hypothetical scenario, has the ability to do so).
The other will defend bris milah, but has supported immorality, or even lives an immoral life him/herself.
Do you compromise on values for the sake of pragmatism?
For which one do you pull the lever?
I write in Mickey mouse
We have traditionally support leaders who are friendly to us. This seems to go back very far, noting how hazal speaks favorably of some Romans who were friendly to us, even though we know from other sources that their private lives were hardly indicative of meeting the requirements for Bnei Noach. Whether our historicans consider a leader to be “good” or “bad” is based on whether they were “good for the Jews” or “bad for the Jews” — not on their basis of their private lives, or even how well they did their jobs in areas that didn’t particularly affect us.
You need to be pragmatic, In general its better to support a winning candidate than a losing candidate, If you support the losing candidate it can be hard to get what you want and need.
Would you support a candidate who supports this but is also a friend to the frum community or would you support someone who is against this marriage and does not support things the frum community might need
Franz Joseph of Austria one of the last emperors was very good to the Jews but he was a terrible Emperor in the general scheme of things (Like Causing World War I)
I write in Mickey Mouse
Even at risk of the anti-milah candidate getting elected?
Fine then I’ll write in Elmo.
I think the only right thing to do if neither candidate fits your values is run in that election.
Daas Yochid, I need more information. Is the second candidate personally immoral, but his immorality does not affect/influence his political positions? Or are his political positions immoral (ex. he promotes “Shechivas Behaimah” amongst the general populace)?
I don’t care what a pollution does in the bedroom if he votes the Torah way. Us that as a guideline, and “Ten L’Chacham V’Yachkim Od”.
(typo intended)
You intended to misspell the word “use”?
😛
Politics is one thing, a better is when you come into personal contact
What if you boss was one, calling your boss an abomination likely wont get you a raise and might get your fired
What if one comes in for a job interview or wants to rent an apartment from you, Its against the law to discriminate
Or just what if a co-worker is one and you call them an abomnination (creating a hostile workforce)
You can’t be “knocked out in the primary” unless you are running as Republican or Democrat.
Or just what if a co-worker is one and you call them an abomination (creating a hostile workforce)
Abominable Lobster Eater! 🙂
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zahavasdad,
It’s a difficult quandary.
But standing up for your basic precepts ought to mean more than money
Yes?
I once worked at a frum place
a customer walked in wearing a “pride” button and the frum salesperson asked about the button and the person said in the affirmative. The salesman then said yeech and walked away from the customer.
The customer then complained to the store manager.
I take my position because this is the law of the land, teaching people to be how evil they are may cost you, not them. If you think someone is an abomination when you meet one in a situation you may act as such either verbally or non-verbally and it will hurt you, not them
It isn’t against the law to tell a pervert that he is a pervert. (Even if much of secular society disagrees with that designation. It would not be wise though if it will engender violence.) It is also best not to work for a pervert.
a customer walked in wearing a “pride” button and the frum salesperson asked about the button and the person said in the affirmative. The salesman then said yeech and walked away from the customer.
Stupid AND Anti-Torah. Where does it say that you can’t sell good to people who do Avairos? If the customer had a pin saying “I eat live lobster”, would the salesman do the same?
You dont always know who your boss might be and it , you might find out later .
It isn’t against the law to tell a pervert that he is a pervert.
On the job it certainly is and it might be in the street as well as it might be considered harassment.
I dont know if the store incident is anti-torah or not, but thankfully the manager (he was frum) diffused the situation and it did not become a greater incident. It would not be a good situation if a bunch of people protested a frum store calling them bigots and it became a news story.
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