November 26, 2019 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1804709
Every weekend we unfortunately read more and more stories about attacks on frum yidden from dangerous youths. Now the leftists from a Conservative synagogue are going to rent out space to a charter school for “at risk youth. ”
Many yeshivot tried to rent the space out but were denied without any reason!
Does anyone have a rational explanation for this?November 26, 2019 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1804716GadolhadorahParticipant
Apparently the kids would come from both Flatbush and other Brooklyn neighborhoods. The article is unclear as to whether the Charter school was the first to inquire about using the schul’s facilities or the yeshivas had been seeking to use the space first. If the former, the shul’s leadership probably was concerned about being accused of reneging on their deal in an effort to discriminate against a predominantly minority school population….something clearly anathema to “progressive” yidden.November 26, 2019 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1804725JosephParticipant
RebbeDebbie is a leitz who is posting on the main site and in the CR underhanded attacks on Yiddishkeit.November 26, 2019 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1804726
there is no way to explain what they are thinking.
There was a well attended meeting last night.
And the politicians are now involved.November 26, 2019 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1804750akupermaParticipant
Why would a non-Orthodox “shul” rent space to a frum school if they could find someone else to rent to. We are mortal enemies, aren’t we. From the City’s perspective this is a “win win” situation, since they will also be getting political conservatives to come out against “charter schools”.November 26, 2019 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #1804752
Let’s see, people like Joseph condemn their movement, we’re not allowed to daven even in an empty Conservative sanctuary, we don’t accept their conversions or kashrus standards and we certainly don’t include them in any communal organizations. And we’re surprised they when they won’t work with us?November 26, 2019 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1804760
If you don’t know the situation they had not made any deal with the charter school and were initially approached by more than one yeshiva. Even when the yeshivos offered the same rate that the charter school was willing to pay they were turned down.
This was only brought to the attention last week when the ads announcing the meeting were published in local newspapers.
In addition, The faculty of Edward R Murrow High School (4 blocks west of the synagogue) is also leery of the charter school and their proposed clientele.November 26, 2019 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1804766☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
AJ, only people like Joseph? Any mainstream frum Yid. However, not accepting their religious outlook doesn’t mean we do things to make them unsafe, yet that is what this board is apparently doing.November 26, 2019 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #1804846
To RebbeDebbie: Just my uninformed guess, but I would bet the school for at-risk utes outbid all the yeshivas.November 26, 2019 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1804794It is Time for TruthParticipant
are you trolling
for one who claimed that lieberman Is attempting to bring Unity the people of Israel and the haredim are the ones in the way
is your concern only limited to ethnocentric circles ?
kids of various colors shouldn’t they be given a chance in a good neighbourhood??
show concern for Humanity as a wholeNovember 26, 2019 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #1804874
Time for truth: I honestly believe that MK Lieberman is attempting to bring unity to the people of E”Y. Having frum youngmen in the IDF presents a great opportunity for kiruv. While some may worry about their children going OTD when exposed to hiloni soldiers, provided the children had a solid upbringing in yiddishkeit, then there should be nothing to worry about.
Now while I strongly disagree with the Conservatives, which is better to have in our neighbourhoods: juvenile delinquents (“at risk youth” is a leftist codeword for teenage criminals), or fellow yids learning in yeshivot?
Note that I NEVER brought up the color of the “at risk youth[s]” skin, it was you that did so.November 26, 2019 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1804877
huju: it’s been reported here on ywn that the yeshivot offered to pay the same as the charter schoolNovember 26, 2019 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1804899yehudayonaParticipant
I believe there’s more than one yeshiva that rents space in a conservative shul. Also, whence the “OOT” in the topic’s title? Aren’t all of the students in the proposed charter school from NYC?November 27, 2019 7:58 am at 7:58 am #1804979
DY, all of the things I mentioned are all positions that I agree with. I’m just saying that from their perspective, the conservatives might not like it ( from our perspective, can’t be helped ).
What I find amusing I’d how we react when the shoe is on the other foot. There have been several incidents where frum Jews, attempting to escape the overcrowded, expensive real estate conditions in Lakewood and Rockland, have sought to buy in neighboring semi rural communities. Those residents viewed the Jews ( bringing with them high density housing ) as a threat to their way of life, the same way the Jews of Midwood view the charter school. Why is it antisemitic for the semirural residents to protect their way of life but not racist for Jews to protest against the school.November 27, 2019 9:01 am at 9:01 am #1804984
AJ: No one against the school for “at risk youth” has brought up race. Why make the issue about race? The issue is that juvenile criminals will be invading a neighborhood. Criminals come from every race, so those making it about race are showing that they may have racist beliefs.
I don’t think it’s wise to bring criminals into a neighborhood that is already being terrorized by youths committing antisemitic attacks that we read about here on YWN on an almost daily basis.November 27, 2019 10:21 am at 10:21 am #1805003yaakov doeParticipant
It’s about the $$$. The conservative temple has dwindling membership and the school is spending $5 million on renovations to the school building. I would assume it’s taxpayers money. They are treating their temple as a business where the almighty dollar reigns supreme.
EMJC was late in adopting the new stream of the conservative movement with egalitarian prayer and musical instruments on Shabbos and it appears that these changes did not boost membership which has been on decline for years.
They should sell as the reform temple on Avenue R & East 16th did years ago and the conservative temple on Ocean Avenue and Avenue I did. There is little market for their brand.November 27, 2019 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1805067
YD: “I would assume it’s taxpayers money.” It may or not be. Charter schools are funded differently then public schools.November 27, 2019 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1805074meir GParticipant
which yeshiva in flatbush is looking for space , every school is trembling at the “exodus” of young families , for the first time our major mosdos are running full page ads in the FJJ, schools that until a few years ago had 30 kids in a class and you couldnt get in have now 23 and more accepting
do u daven in flatbush ? isnt shul less full than 7-8 years ago ( aside from a few new ones )
flatbush is full of big houses with 2 people living there 6 months out of the year
did u notice the foot traffic on j 3 stores closed in the last 6 monthsNovember 27, 2019 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1805090
Lowertuiyoon, charter schools are considered public schools and are funded by the cityNovember 27, 2019 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1805126
Meir G: At least 1 sephardic girls school was looking to take over the building.November 27, 2019 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1805127
and my shul has not seen any exodus in recent years.December 3, 2019 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1807273yehudayonaParticipant
Yaakov Doe, I believe the temple that became Mesores was Reform, not Conservative.December 5, 2019 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1808123☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
School generally do not allow students to leave their grounds during school hours, and the students will be going home to their own neighborhoods once school hours are over. Theoretically, the only extra work involved for outside forces is participating in keeping students from leaving the grounds. Am I missing something?December 9, 2019 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1809235apushatayidParticipant
“Yaakov Doe, I believe the temple that became Mesores was Reform, not Conservative.”
It was reconstructionist.December 9, 2019 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1809246GadolhadorahParticipant
There are few reliable statistics with and degree of granularity that would support assertions regarding net outward migration from frum neighborhoods in Brooklyn, especially by younger families with school-age children. There have been lots of anecdotal stories to that effect, linking the exodus to housing costs that had become beyond the reach of even younger families with working parents. Some Jewish welfare agencies do their own “surveys” but those results are not always reliable or may have some “agenda”. The 2020 census may actually provide the best resource in terms of reaching such conclusions.December 9, 2019 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1809245
Random3x: What about the walking from and to public transportation for the “busing”? I disagree with your stmt “School generally do not allow students”. I live two blocks from a miidle school that the students are allowed out during lunch hour and other times of the day. As to ” home to their own neighborhoods once school hours are over.” And how do you know they will be leaving when school ends and not stay around for 1 or 2 hours before going home.We in the east thirties have had our windows broken and other mischief from students as they “walk” home.December 9, 2019 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1809273
@Gadolhadorah Will the 2020 census actually track that though? If so, it will definitely be interesting to see how many of the young families are moving OOT, and where they’re moving to.December 9, 2019 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1809394takahmamashParticipant
To answer the OP, because despite what you think, Flatbush does not belong to the Jews.December 9, 2019 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1809414cherrybimParticipant
All of the local frum yeshivas and camps rent the East Midwood Jewish Center’s pool and gym for their programs for top dollar.
The one thing that the EMJC understands is money. But our community mosdos are not united enough for a plan of action because they want the pool and gym no matter what.
If they were really serious and refused to deal with the EMJC and boycotted their rentals, it’s unlikely EMJC would be acting in this manner.December 9, 2019 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1809416
@takahmamash I never said such a thing! Would you want “at risk youths” (liberal code for juvenile delinquents aka criminals) walking around your neighbourhood?
Consider the following, if the students are such great future citizens, then why are they not welcomed in their own communities and being forced to move into a safe neighbourhood?December 9, 2019 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1809489BillyweeParticipant
Does anyone read anything that doesn’t perfectly align with what they want to hear?
Last year a Yeshiva moved in and quickly stopped paying rent.
8 Yeshivas and 2 days schools discussed it with them. When a Yeshiva offered close to the asked rent, they seriously considered it. When they asked the Yeshiva to put down a deposit, the Yeshiva refused.
Along came the Charter school. They agreed to the rent, are investing 3-4 million in improvements, and signed contracts.
Would any Frum institution not do the same thing they’re doing?December 13, 2019 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1810635cherrybimParticipant
There are substantial g’virim in Flatbush who live close to this location. Where are they when it really makes a difference?
Maybe if we had a dinner and made them and family chairmen they would care to get involved.December 15, 2019 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1810921
I know lots of members of “Conservative” synagogues. They are hardly a bunch of lefties. I don’t know why they chose to rent their unused space to a charter school dedicated to “at risk youth,” but I bet they are no different than most landlords, and so I suspect it was money and credit risk, neither of which are strong suits for yeshivas.December 16, 2019 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1811115
Oh, one other thing: I believe “OOT” means “out of town,” which I interpret to mean outside the New York City metro area. I believe the charter school will draw its students from the 5 boroughs. Evidently, the headline author thinks OOT refers to areas outside Flatbush and Midwood. That would make Borough Park OOT. Seems to be an awfully narrow definition of OOT.
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