October 11, 2011 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #599925yoyaMember
why are they freeing him if they are letting out hundreds of terrorists??? Is that worth it for only one person?October 12, 2011 12:43 am at 12:43 am #817395doodle jumpParticipant
How would you feel if it was your son?October 12, 2011 12:58 am at 12:58 am #817396mikehall12382Member
He is being freed because millions of Jews have been praying for his release and HAshem listened.October 12, 2011 1:09 am at 1:09 am #817397LosAngelesZaidyParticipant
i would not want the release of my son to cause many deaths. these murders being released is not good. they will get a hereo’s welcome home.then kill more jew, V”saOctober 12, 2011 1:19 am at 1:19 am #817398Feif UnParticipant
Minister Yishai met with R’ Ovadia Yosef to discuss this question, and was told it’s pidyon shevuyim, and they should do it.October 12, 2011 1:28 am at 1:28 am #817399GumBallMember
Why not? one jew is compared to 100,000,000,000,000…people!!October 12, 2011 1:30 am at 1:30 am #817400pascha bchochmaMember
Exactly. The mind worries and the heart rejoices,as an Israeli aptly stated.
I worry about the consequences, but he could CH”V die if we do not at least make our best efforts to free him. Hamas has to take care of him now that everyone knows we are negotiating for him, and they will try to keep him in better health.October 12, 2011 2:29 am at 2:29 am #817401sof davarMember
How would you feel if G-d Forbid your family was attacked by one of the monsters they are putting back on the streets?October 12, 2011 2:39 am at 2:39 am #817402minyan galMember
yoya, it is worth every Arab prisoner in Israel for the life of one Jew.October 12, 2011 2:44 am at 2:44 am #817403Dr. SeussMember
Feif: Minister Eli Yishai said its pidyon. Rav Ovadia did not.October 12, 2011 2:50 am at 2:50 am #817404
Minyan many other jews will be killed because we are releasing a bunch of murderers.October 12, 2011 2:54 am at 2:54 am #817405
This reminds me of the Fast and Furious gun program, the U.S gave these Mexican Drug cartels weapons and now they have been used to kill U.S. border patrol agents.October 12, 2011 3:21 am at 3:21 am #817406mddMember
Pashtus, it is a shaila of “ein podim shevuim yoser al kdei d’meihem” — “we do not redeem kidnapped people for more than a regular price”. I do not know how it would apply here.October 12, 2011 3:29 am at 3:29 am #817407🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I had the same first response when I heard that so many terrorists would be freed but I know that in working on my emunas Hashem I have learned that there will not be one more terrorist attack than Hashem deems necessary regardless of how many terrosrists are freed. Our fate is in His hands only and we need to internalize that. One terrorist can do much harm, ch”v, or a thousand can do none. Whether I would have agreed with the deal or not, I will pray for Gilad’s safe return and have faith that Hashem will keep our streets safe, which He can do regardless how ‘crowded’ it is, should we be zoche.
<<pause while I put away my soap box>>October 12, 2011 3:55 am at 3:55 am #817408mustangriderMember
Goq – if G-d wants there to be another terror attack chas veshalom, He doesn’t need these terrorists to do it. It would happen anyway. G-d knows what He is doing. Trust Him!October 12, 2011 4:03 am at 4:03 am #817409🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
mustangrider – that’s what I meant to say, it just took me too long to spit it out. Well said.October 12, 2011 4:03 am at 4:03 am #817410HLMMember
If Hashem did not want want someone to get hurt by terrorists, they won’t get hurt. Even if a thopusand terrorists will be free. I hope for his safe return!October 12, 2011 4:31 am at 4:31 am #817411mamashtakahMember
The Israeli government used to have a policy of never negotiating with terrorists. They never should have stopped this policy, and really, they should go back to it.October 12, 2011 5:01 am at 5:01 am #817412mddMember
The Hashgoha is there, but we must act resposibly.October 12, 2011 5:10 am at 5:10 am #817413lovinghalachaMember
Everything is Byadei Shomayim, so if this is GD’s plan it will happen no matter what, and if C”V someone’s family should be injured as a result of one of these terrorist’s yimach shmam being released it will happen anyway, no? So atleast it should be at the price of a poor Jewish boy who is suffering in shiabud. Lifi aniyus da’asi.. let him have the chance to sit in a sukkah and enjoy whatever of his life he has left (that is assuming he is alive – IS HE?).October 12, 2011 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #817414Feif UnParticipant
Dr. Seuss: maybe R’ Ovadia didn’t say it’s pidyon, but he did say the Shas ministers should vote for the deal.October 12, 2011 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #817415Baal BooseParticipant
First to Doodle #2,
The answer to your comment is; if my family would be involved then i would be doing irrational/unacceptable things. just like the father of the victim can not be the presiding judge.
My comment; there is a clear haloche that we do not purchase stolen t’fillin or sefer torah for more than its market value- otherwise we are encouraging theft of these items.
Similarly we do not redeem captives for more than the market value of a corresponding slave for the same reason- not to encourage copy-cats and repeats.
The burden of proof rests on the other side to explain why these restrictions do not apply here.
Hashem should cause the speedy return of Gilad Shalit, safely.October 12, 2011 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #817416aries2756Participant
The terrorists are interchangeable they are like ants. If it is not them, there will be others. They are worthless pieces of garbage with no minds of their own. Hashem will take care of them. The Israelis can’t kill them. So why should they spend Millions feeding them, housing them and keeping them healthy, while schooling them as well. They are not letting out the leaders who are the thinkers. They are letting out the idiots who do their bidding. They grow like weeds and there are thousands more like them. They are worthless and even thousands are not as valuable as one Jew.October 12, 2011 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #817417yungerman1Participant
Syag Lchochma, HLM, & lovinghalacha-
As mdd pointed out there is a halacha of “ein podim shevuim yoser al kdei d’meihem” — “we do not redeem kidnapped people for more than a regular price”. One reason given is that if we do so it will only encourage additional kidnappings. The Gemora does NOT say ” Hashem controls everything…. If its not meant to happen it wont happen, etc… The pashtus haGemara goes entirely against that line of reasoning.October 12, 2011 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #817419
Aries if your kitchen is attracting ants can you honestly tell me that adding 1000 ants wont make it a lot worse?October 12, 2011 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #817420popa_bar_abbaParticipant
This discussion makes no sense.
It seems to me, that one side is discussing whether the deal was wise move. In that discussion, the gemara of “ein podin…” would be relevant, and blind bitachon would not.
The other side is discussing how we should feel now. Blind bitachon is appropriate. /thread.
Also, I don’t want to talk about this. It is too personal. I can’t sit and say they should have let this poor kid rot, and I can’t say we should let these terrorists out.
I am just happy he is coming home, and scared about the price. And I have no opinion on the wisdom.October 12, 2011 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #817421BB152Participant
One of these Days, our scientists in Israel will come up with a way to implant a tracking device in these monsters so tiny that they won’t know about it. Then when they are freed, they can be tracked, and they’ll just go and recapture them. I can’t wait for that day.October 12, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #817422yungerman1Participant
BB152- This technology exists already. Problem is that they have handheld scanners that can detect it. (Have you never seen a m_v_e?!! Good for you)October 12, 2011 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #817423BB152Participant
yungerman1 – haven’t seen one of those in 13 years B”HOctober 14, 2011 5:14 am at 5:14 am #817424Israeli ChareidiParticipant
There may also have been some intelligence (i.e. information) issues involved that we may never know about – it might explain why some of the ministers were informed at the last minute. There may have been some really dangerous things at stake if the deal wasn’t pulled off now. Also might explain why the cabinet vote was so one-sided.October 16, 2011 8:59 am at 8:59 am #817425ToiParticipant
i just wanna point out that the terrorists are ipso facto being maskim that one soldier is as valuable as 1000 terrorists. talk about low self esteem.
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