December 16, 2008 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #588884jO jOMember
This morning there was a horrible accident in Israel when a bus flipped down a ravine killing close to 30 people and injuring another 30, most of them critically.
Why is it, that people must post the same stupid question on such tragic threads. The question which was posted this morning (and shortly after thankfully deleted by the moderators) is:
Are they Yidden?
Any Jews killed?
Why must people post such ignorant comments?December 16, 2008 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #627975SJSinNYCMember
jO jO, I posted an article about a little girl who swallowed a battery and how ill she was. Someone told me I should have posted that she was “nochri” in my description.December 16, 2008 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #627976chaimberlinerMember
I think YWN should close this topic before it gets out of hand.December 16, 2008 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #627977myshadowMember
It hits home more when they’re jewish but I still feel terrible for all the families involved jewish or notDecember 16, 2008 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #627978
there was an explosion on the block that my brother lives.
i didnt ask about him however, i just wanted to know if anyone was hurt.
i had no particular concern for my brother more that anyone else.
i love everyone equally.December 16, 2008 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #627979
Thank You Feivel (again.)December 16, 2008 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #627980tzippiMember
And don’t forget the all-time favorite:
“Pictures, please.”December 16, 2008 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #627981
when I am driving with my children and we see and/or hear an ambulance whiz by with blaring sirens, we say a perek of tehillim or a short tefilla for whoever is need of the emergency medical help. (not my original idea—I heard it on a tape from an inspirational speaker but can’t remember which one–hope to hasten the geulah anyway despite my inability to say b’shem omro)
One of my children asked me when I suggested this for the first time “how do you know they’re Jewish?” my response was “I don’t—everyone is created b’tzelem elokim, and this will train us to be more compassionate, which will arouse Hashem’s rachmanus which the whole world needs”.December 16, 2008 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #627982
R’ Avigdor Miller Zecher Tzaddik V’kadosh L’vracha. I heard that tape too.
Although your second paragraph was not on the tape. I’m not agreeing, disagreeing or looking for an argument. Just pointing it out for the sake of accuracy.December 16, 2008 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #627983oomisParticipant
“when I am driving with my children and we see and/or hear an ambulance whiz by with blaring sirens, we say a perek of tehillim or a short tefilla for whoever is need of the emergency medical help. (not my original idea—I heard it on a tape from an inspirational speaker but can’t remember which one–hope to hasten the geulah anyway despite my inability to say b’shem omro)
One of my children asked me when I suggested this for the first time “how do you know they’re Jewish?” my response was “I don’t—everyone is created b’tzelem elokim, and this will train us to be more compassionate, which will arouse Hashem’s rachmanus which the whole world needs”. “
I re-posted your entire paragraph, because it so resonated with me, that I felt it bore repeating.December 16, 2008 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #627984
your child asked an excellent questionDecember 16, 2008 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #627985sammyjoeMember
b/c most bloggers on ywn are tactless and probably dont have jobs and are boredDecember 16, 2008 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #627986
I’m assuming that means that you have a job & are tactful?December 16, 2008 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #627987sammyjoeMember
notpashut: as per ur record u responded to 40! posts in short amout of time wow:)December 16, 2008 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #627988
notpashut–thank you. now I will try to look up which tape it was that R’ Miller ZTz”L
discussed this…and I appreciate the clarification as to what was on the tape–I see how it could seem the 2nd paragraph was being quoted from the tape, but that was what I added. (and I’m going to work on remembering who said what).December 16, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #627989SJSinNYCMember
kiruvwife, that is wonderful! There can never be enough tefila and compassion is great across the board.
After all, think of hallel and pesach.December 17, 2008 12:17 am at 12:17 am #627990DocParticipant
Like feivel said, your child asked an excellent question.
The question is very relevant. It makes all the difference.
Acheinu “Bnei Yisroel”December 17, 2008 12:20 am at 12:20 am #627991
i will tell you what Rabbi Miller said if you wish, but you wont like it.December 17, 2008 1:07 am at 1:07 am #627992
Everyone would like to hear Rav Miller’s divrei kedusha. Be bold and please share.December 17, 2008 4:34 am at 4:34 am #627993zimbyMember
To the original question:
They have a lack of social intelligenceDecember 17, 2008 4:37 am at 4:37 am #627994
he said: paraphrased as closely as i can:
if one hears an ambulance or fire siren he should daven that if it is a Jew, he should have a refuah and yeshuah.
the child understood, i hope he did not get mis-educated.December 17, 2008 4:42 am at 4:42 am #627995
Thank You Feivel.
One can never drink enough of Rav Miller’s holy words.December 17, 2008 9:47 am at 9:47 am #627996
Feivel & Joseph,
That is what I was trying to convey, gently.December 17, 2008 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #627997torah4everMember
sammyjoe, your comments are so true!!December 17, 2008 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #627998
R’ Feivel–I appreciate so much your clarification as well.
I’m not sure why you assumed I wouldn’t like what HoRav Miller ZTz’l had to say…it is emes and I like it…
so we will continue to say a tefillah when we hear the sirens wail. If it is a Yid he should have a refuah and if it’s not than the tefillah we say will go to Hashem and He will decide what to do with it. It’s not a stira to feel concern for whoever is in the ambulance. What I honed from the message on the tape was increasing our level of concern for our fellow yidden.
In any case, the act of being aware of one’s surroundings and in tune with the need to be compassionate in general can only enhance the midos one wants to insill in their children.
To be sure though, when it does happen again I will add that if it is a yid in the ambulance, it will enhance our Ahavas Chinom and Ahavas Yisroel…if it isn’t a yid, we can direct our tefillos to the Rofei Chol Bosor, and reiterate that Hashem is in charge of every briah. I think that would be in line with the Rov’s teachings.December 17, 2008 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #627999
No offense at all but can people really not understand why someone would want to know if any of his brothers died? All Jews are brothers (and sisters) so obviously one of the first questions asked is if my brother is OK. They are not trying to say that the other deaths are meaningless to them rather inquiring about their brothers safety…
Please someone explain this to me…December 17, 2008 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #628000
Apparently I’m not the only one who’s a little bored.
Maybe you’d like to come over & hang out?December 17, 2008 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #628001
ive seen so many people here, who hold their opinion to be greater than the Gedolim that i expected that kind of response.December 17, 2008 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #628002charlie brownMember
rabbosei, nisht alz vos min tracht darf min shreiben oif der internet. Rav Avigdor Miller ZTL hut dus gezugt in a beis medrash nisht oif der internet. Iz zeier nisht gut far unz az yedden nochri zol meinin az yidden don’t care oib a nochri shtarbt.
moderators: if this stuff was (wisely) removed from the kid swallowing batteries thread why is it being allowed here?December 17, 2008 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #628003
charlie, der shpraich geshriben du (daven, yeshua, refuah) is nisht poshut farr ah nochri tzu farshtein.December 17, 2008 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #628004brooklyn19Participant
Mr. Brown – i don’t do yiddish. all i understood from that post is “rabbosei” “nisht” “internet” “rav avigdor miller ZTL” and “beis medrash”
not gonna get me too far. you mind trying that in hebrew?December 18, 2008 1:54 am at 1:54 am #628005
Apology much appreciated
woah—I didn’t realize those sentiments existed prevalently (people claiming to know more then our gedolim—I can’t be mekabel that those people were sufficiently educated as to what our Gedolim truly are for klal yisroel)
In any case, my yiddish is not all that great, and it’s much worse when written in “Havoras English”…..but what I’m picking up is that it’s not exactly L’chatchila to be delving into the topic I brought up….
I surely didn’t realize this would lead to a request to it being removed…definitely will be more careful next time
p.s. I second the request for a translation…..clarificationDecember 18, 2008 3:51 am at 3:51 am #628006I can only tryMember
I’ve been asked by non-Yiddish and non-Hebrew speakers for translations of printed or posted text on occasion. DLC B’RMDecember 18, 2008 9:40 am at 9:40 am #628007
ICOT- It was written in Yiddish for a reason!
Which Nochri would visit this site anyway?December 18, 2008 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #628008myshadowMember
I don’t think he meant a literal nochri, I don’t know yiddish that well but I think I got the flowDecember 18, 2008 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #628009
ok I’ve got it now…..no need to translate on my behalf….message well taken.December 18, 2008 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #628010
Come on everyone…der heiliger mam-loshen???December 18, 2008 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #628011intellegentMember
Brown was basically saying that what R’ Miller said is of course emes but he said it in a bais medrash and not everything has to be repeated on the internet for ALL to read. (I think targum shivim could be a good example, where certain things were changed so they should not be offensive to them…)
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