Why do ONLY seminary girls get to learn navi?

See Midrash Tanchuma in NOACH to see why Yeshivos focus on Gemara. The covenant of Torah of Har Sinai is to engage in learning Gemara, not Torah Shebiksav. While we must learn it and know it, if there is limited time we need to focus on what Chazal tell us to learn.

Because if we were supposed to listen to Navi today, we would still have neviim.

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corey- because that hasnt been the curriculum in yeshivos since they started. R shach said that you end up learning nach from gemara. and anyway your just trying to stir the pot up again, so i dont think you really want an answer.

“R shach said that you end up learning nach from gemara.”

That might be true if you learn the gemara like Rav Shach. When the gemara brings a passuk for any reason, how many learners today actually know what the passuk is talking about and its relevance to the gemara? How many bother to look up the passuk, its context within the perek, have an understanding of the passuk means and then try and fit it back into the gemara? When a Tanna or Amora (or even a Rishon or Achron) brings a passuk it is because they know what the passuk means already. Its application to the gemara is understood by them. Todays learners?

In any event, you grossly underestimate today’s learners. People on the outside like to sit and make fun of yeshiva guys, and say they don’t really learn and just waste time.

They should find a better way to assuage their guilt for not being in yeshiva. Like therapy.

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PBA, your sarcasm is duly noted.

I am not saying that at all. If you look above, I professed a far vaster knowledge in tanach, more than the entire BJJ combined, and half of Hadar.

Also, the yeshivish mesechtos are far more than 10% of shas.

In pages, they are over a third.

In concepts, they are probably over 90%.

Gut Voch! Well it is still shabbos in the states, but not in Australia. My daughter won the national chidon hatanach, and she knows more torah, navi and ketuvim than my sons. but is that so terrible??? My sons are the experts when it comes to gemara, explaining the world. while my daughter is packed with the knowledge. men cant be the master of all.

she knows more torah, navi and ketuvim than my sons. but is that so terrible???

Yes, it’s both terrible and pathetic. Your sons should be ashamed.

men cant be the master of all.

I guess you’ve never met any real men.

they should be, but they cant possibly be expected to take on s much as she has. she would learn in to the early hours of the morning with no break. it takes lots of kochos. no one should ever put themselves under that much strain.

“There were amoraim who weren’t experts in Tanach either.”

What they didn’t know would put todays girls to shame 🙂

“Well, R’ Shach was talking to todays learners”

How many of todays learners, learn like R’ Shach?

Some women have a superior knowledge of tanach, and that is nothing new. In general though, it is the unusual woman who knows more tanach that a proper ben torah, and a man should not be making cop out excuses about his own ignorance.

Yitay: “There were amoraim who weren’t experts in Tanach either.”

Do you have a source for this ?

The gemara in bk 55 are explained by the achronim,but surely the amoraim knew tanach very well . The first gemara in AZ 4 , Rav Safra of course knew the passuk but the deeper meaning he did no know as well as his contemporaries. It is very different than not knowing at all, which I thought you meant.

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“Gut Voch! Well it is still shabbos in the states, but not in Australia. My daughter won the national chidon hatanach, and she knows more torah, navi and ketuvim than my sons. but is that so terrible??? My sons are the experts when it comes to gemara, explaining the world. while my daughter is packed with the knowledge. men cant be the master of all. “

Mrs R. Mazel Tov! shep nachas from your daughter.. She’s wonderful and will go very far in life… May you only continue to see nachas from all your children. btw;- don’t write anything too personal now that you’ve mentioned this..

real-brisker, half was not Ice cream, nor pie for that matter…

all I can say is there is ONE moderator here that thinks e/o else is doing what he’s doing- talking to himself! And the more you chase away ‘trolls’, ‘dolts’, ‘retards’,and whatever else you wanna call REAl&fake posters the more you will inevitably talk to yourself!

you have a choice be welcoming and accomodating to us all or the inevitable…:) btw: I noticed moi aussie and a NUMBER of others haven’t posted in a while either…:( was he blocked??

One cannot learn Tanach properly witout learning it w/ meforshim that are based on Torah shebaal peh. Many pesukim translated by non-yirei shamayaim will result in garbage in-garbage out.

mussarzoger, no one disagrees. simply put, learning nach requires a certain level of maturity which yeshiva boys lack.

Fortunately for myself, I am on a Nach Yomi program, where we learn 5 Pesukim (verses) each day, hence on track to covering Nach in 9&1/2 years.

The closest thing we have to neviim nowadays are their written word. They are talking to each one of us. There is no question that if one learns nach seriously and in depth, his closeness to Hashem will be greatly enhanced. Instead of mussar seder, go and hear the words of the neviim. They will definitely change your life. But perhaps that’s what some people are afraid of…