April 10, 2013 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #944336Sam2Participant
Honestly, Popa, I think my post in the beginning of that thread was quite epic to begin with.April 11, 2013 12:21 am at 12:21 am #944337☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
See, all of these zionistic days lead to “kochi v’otzem yadi”.
Sam, I think closing that thread kind of backfired. 😉April 11, 2013 1:28 am at 1:28 am #944338Sam2Participant
DY: I blame Popa. And you. But mostly Popa.
Things have been mostly civil in today’s slew of “Zionism-discussing” threads, so I can’t complain.April 11, 2013 1:42 am at 1:42 am #944339147Participant
Things have been mostly civil in today’s slew of “Zionism-discussing” threads, so I can’t complain.
B’H we are all being civil, so likewise I will likewise politely & graciously wish everyone a sincere Chodesh Iyor tov uMevoroch, as we go into Iyor which has been blessed with 4 Holidays:-
1) Yom ha’Atzmaut
2) Pesach Sheni
3) Lag b’Omer
4) Yom Yerusholayim
Chodesh Tov uMevorochApril 11, 2013 1:56 am at 1:56 am #944340About TimeParticipant
DY: I blame..
I’ll take responsibility in the next world
with pleasureApril 11, 2013 2:25 am at 2:25 am #944341☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
147, a gutten chodesh to you too.April 11, 2013 3:56 am at 3:56 am #944342xx ImpersonatorMember
with all due respect, don’t you think Hashem’s holidays and chazal’s commemorations are on a different level than these ??? ??? ???? ?April 11, 2013 5:25 am at 5:25 am #944343Avi KParticipant
Popa, I have never heard such things. Certainly have been no slaughters, intrigues or civil war (and Rambam includes the period of Herod, who was even worse), As for Ben Hecht’s accusations, his book was a political polemic and should be judged as such. However, even he does not make such accusations. His focus is the Kastner affair, which is still very controversial. Some say that Kastner was a great tzaddik who saved 1,670 Jews. Others say the opposite. Hashem is the final judge.April 11, 2013 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #944344popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Avi: Of course not, you don’t read the same news outlets that I do. I assure you that Arutz sheva does not widely report that when it happens.
And I’m probably less aware of the more outrageous things that people ostensibly on my side of the aisle have said.
As for Ben-Hecht, I qualified my statement with if it is true.April 11, 2013 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #944345Avi KParticipant
Popa, I do not know where you live or have lived but bli ayin hara I have lived in Israel for 26 (ad 120) years. While I am not generally consulted, it would be incredible if there was a civil war and I did not hear about it. I would certainly have known about rabbanim being murdered by government hit squads.April 11, 2013 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #944346popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I think my original post on this topic referred to things I have heard suggested, not to things which have happened.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Besides, if you’d seen some of the crowd control techniques used by Israeli police on chareidim, you’d think you were watching the civil rights demonstrations in the 1960’s.April 11, 2013 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #944347charliehallParticipant
“Speaking of Tisha BiAv, that is the REAL day for mourning the loss of the 6+ million kedoshim of the holocaust, not on some artificially invented Zionist day. “
Rav Soloveitchik z’tz’l agreed, and he was the leader of all of Religious Zionism.April 11, 2013 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #944348charliehallParticipant
“I would certainly have known about rabbanim being murdered by government hit squads.”
The only rabbanim who have been murdered have been by Arab terrorist rashaim, and we should thank the IDF that more have not been murdered.April 11, 2013 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #944349mddMember
PBA, I am not totally justifying the frei, but the Israeli Chareidim provoke the frei and get under their skin with their behavoir — they partially brought it on themselves.April 22, 2020 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #1852095JosephParticipant
One of the few good things about the current situation is that Yom Hashmutz is essentially cancelled.April 22, 2020 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1852142GadolhadorahParticipant
Most of us will be saying chatzi hallel on Yom Ha’atzmaut albeit without a minyan this year (except of course in parts of New Jersey with properly distanced porches).April 23, 2020 8:33 am at 8:33 am #1852203lowerourtuition11210Participant
GH: What percentage is “most of us”? People who normally dont say hallel on that day are not planning to say it this year either.April 23, 2020 8:38 am at 8:38 am #1852229April 23, 2020 9:23 am at 9:23 am #1852280
Seventy years ago, the yeshivos barely celebrated Purim. They observed Yom HaAtzmut by nodding and thinking, “yup that happened”.April 23, 2020 9:28 am at 9:28 am #1852285
Today frum yidden celebrate lag ba’omer instead.April 23, 2020 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1852301
Dear Reb Eliezer,
I do not follow. Are you responding to Joseph? Is that a reason to celebrate or not to celebrate? It does not relate to why we would or would not say Hallel.April 23, 2020 9:48 am at 9:48 am #1852308
I answer the title of the topic.April 23, 2020 10:17 am at 10:17 am #1852318GadolhadorahParticipant
A relatively high percentage, albeit among those who holdy by Rav Hadaya and other chashavuah rabbonim several decades ago who fervently argued in in favor of establishing a chag marking the establishment of the State of Israel. Similiar support for chag were expressed by Rav Meshulam Roth (a member of the Rabbanut) who wrote about the basis for a chag to celebrate the “geulah” for a large segment of the post-war jewish population in EY. For many rabbonim who held that creating a new chag was NOT contradicted by the Torah’s directive of “lo tosif” , saying hallel is a no-brainer.
For those with an historical interest, there was a great survey article in the Spring 1960 issue of TRADITION, where Rav Meyer Karlin presented an excellent summary of the halachic debate over the status of Yom ha’atzmaut and the arguments (pro and con) regarding the significance of their not being a singular “miracle” analagous to Chanukah etc.April 23, 2020 11:30 am at 11:30 am #1852366
See Yechaveh Daas from Rav Ovadyah Josef (1,43) about the question of stopping to say Nachem.April 23, 2020 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1852418asimpleyidParticipant
uhhh you clearly have never spoken to an old chaim berliner lol
purim was a huuuuge avodah by rav hutnerApril 23, 2020 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1852558lowerourtuition11210Participant
GH: In my neighborhood a relatively high percentage does not say hallel (with or without a brocha). I grew up in a Young Israel and while we did not say tachnun we also did not say hallel. All the yeshivos i attended said tachnun.
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