January 11, 2021 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1937448
In 10 days from now Donald J Trump will be as relevant as James Earl Carter, why is everyone so worked up?January 11, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1937501Reb EliezerParticipant
Jimmy Carter became relevant after his presidency when he brought about the Israeli peace plan with Egypt.January 11, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1937509akupermaParticipant
If you read left wing media (BTW, in “Social media” that may soon be the only type), Donald J. Trump is a cross between the Satan and Hitler, who if he has a chance will either destroy the country or the world, and is of course the source of all evil in society (disease, bad weather, excessive wealth if you are rich, poverty if you are poor, etc).
On the other hand, a third of the country, who don’t read the politically correct truth media, people often called “Deplorables”, believe Trump saved the nation and the world, and is their only hope for a better life and full civil rights and a “place at the table”, and also believe Trump was cheated in the last election by use of irregular and easy to fake mail ballots. And these people won’t go away.January 11, 2021 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #1937510DovidBTParticipant
The Democratic party has no rational platform. All they can do is convince people to support them out of hatred for the Republican party.
Once President Trump is out of office, they’ll lose their scapegoat.January 11, 2021 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #1937525
@Reb E, the Camp David Accords happened while he was President, afterwards he was a irrelevant windbag with a intense dislike of Israel, his only redeeming value is that he built houses for the homeless after he wrecked the American economy.January 11, 2021 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1937564Little FroggieParticipant
The deomoncrats are trying to push their unsubstantiated, false claim of a riot at the capital.January 11, 2021 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm #1937669ParticipantParticipant
what pence can accomplish in ten days…January 12, 2021 8:11 am at 8:11 am #1937796Amil ZolaParticipant
I certainly find anyone who would forcibly enter and vandalize our nations capitol and smear the walls with human feces to be deplorable. Add to that fact these individuals wanted to overturn a legal election via force I’d add treasonous to the pejoratives as well.
Unfortunately Trumpism won’t end with the swearing in of Joe Biden. Trumpers are planning on violent confrontations in our states capitols as well as DC on 1/20.January 12, 2021 8:37 am at 8:37 am #1937821
If only some of the legitimate trump supporters who attended could give over what really went on, ive gotten 2 first hand accounts now, you would really be worked up. And anyone with a soul on any side of the isle should worry about what the canceling and censure the negative energy is giving birth to.January 12, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1937930Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
I am reading about a local restaurant owner who was there peacefully, posted about it somewhere, then posted an apology. Online mob responded that they are not going to that restaurant ever and “who knew those restaurant owners are mostly Republicans”. Another person fired from a medical job when recognized on a video, also not as part of disturbances.January 12, 2021 11:35 am at 11:35 am #1937940
Yet another form of domestic terrorismJanuary 12, 2021 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1938106GadolhadorahParticipant
If this peaceful gathering of “patriots” had marched from the Trumpkop’s rally at the white house to the capital and then hakofos around the capital screaming “Donald is Moishiach” and “Stop the Genevah” then I would agree with some of the posters above. However, this was a deliberate call for violence by the President that energized a mob of right wing militants to rush the capital and engage in the mayhem and violence we have now seen. Instead of joining the mob as he had just promised, he walked back to his office and sadistically watched the gruesome violence against the capital police and did nothing for over an hour as the telephone calls from the Capital were begging him to speak out and stop the violence.January 12, 2021 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #1938111
GH -“However, this was a deliberate call for violence by the President that energized a mob of right wing militants to rush the capital and engage in the mayhem and violence we have now seen.”
Unfortunately the facts aren’t the way you and the TDS Press present them.
The Riot at the Capitol started way before Trump speech ended.
It was started by a group, probably Leftists, being that’s their MO all last year.
The Trump supporters came after the Trump’s speech ended.January 12, 2021 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #1938120yaakov doeParticipant
Why did the story of the FBI raid on a Brooklyn home to take in one of the insurrectionists disappear from this site and others?January 13, 2021 5:55 am at 5:55 am #1938244
Once again the premises of this thread, HE IS HISTORY NEXT WEEK, why is everyone so worked up?January 13, 2021 8:34 am at 8:34 am #1938291
I don’t know. You seem pretty worked up by talk against a President who incited an insurrection.January 13, 2021 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1938301GadolhadorahParticipant
Why is everyone so excited??
Go and watch the video of the police officer having his head bashed in by the fire extinguisher or the other one being crushed in the doorway by he rioters while the vile animal sits in the WH wathcing the events real time and sadistically enjoying the reality show he fomented. THATS WHY. He needs to be humiliated, punished and made to suffer both now and once he is dragged out of the door next week by the secret service kicking and screaming so the c’v any future president of ANY party will know there are consequences for this kind of direct and active facilitating violent insurrection or even violent rioting.
Other than that, I agree that we shouldn’t care.January 13, 2021 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1938303
@emesnishtsheker, Not worked up at all, I just don’t understand why to expend so much energy on someone who will be irrelevant in a matters of days, do I time harping about Obama and Jimmy Carter anti Israel slant? No because they are irrelevant.January 13, 2021 9:24 am at 9:24 am #1938322
GH- in reference to your most recent post, how is it possible to hold Republicans and Trump supporters as a whole responsible for all of that disgusting Behavior but I don’t remember you using those same standards for smashed heads knifings and gunshots during 6 months of rioting that our Democratic leaders supported politically and monetarily. I am not saying that got a pass this should, I am questioning the people who are so sickened by this Behavior who didn’t seem to take note of the other Behavior but more so knowing those people were not representative of all Democrats why are these people representative of all Republicans? And again I’m really asking I’m not trying to provoke it’s a question that I have had that I can’t get an answer to as much as a heated response insteadJanuary 13, 2021 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1938326
Right, because a politician having an anti-Israel slant is as relevant to American Democracy as a politician inciting an insurrection riot.
Frankly, nothing I say will convince you why impeachment should occur now. So keep on wondering. When you can move past lies about election fraud maybe we can then talk. But if you and others here are simply stuck in a web of lies, there is no real common ground to have a conversation.January 13, 2021 9:49 am at 9:49 am #1938333
” When you can move past lies about election fraud maybe we can then talk. But if you and others here are simply stuck in a web of lies, there is no real common ground to have a conversation.”
This is also the exact sentiment of the people you oppose. That is why there has been very very little discussion here.January 13, 2021 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1938346
@shekernishtemes, show me one post where I discuss election fraud.January 13, 2021 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1938380
So to be clear you agree with these two points, which are in your prior comments:
1. There was no election fraud that would overturn the election
2. Trump incited a riot (which has led to the deaths of several people).
As to point 1, it follows that Trump and supporters deliberately spread lies and engaged in what might be extortion (with the phone calls).
So as long as the above holds true, impeachment seems to make sense.
As to the logistics, well it might interfere slightly with Joe Biden’s legislative agenda, but if the Senate votes to convict you take Trump off the table in the 2024 election. As to congressmen whining about that you should not impeach as it is divisive, sounds like they just want to avoid a vote on impeachment because it might offend Trump supporters and to vote against impeachment, means you refused to impeach someone who lied and his lies incited an insurrection riot. If you don’t impeach for this, seems silly to impeach for whatever Nixon did (or Clinton did, which was a personal matter). I mean, if you don’t impeach for this, then what do you ever impeach for?January 13, 2021 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1938402
@sheker, I guess you have a hard time comprehending basic English, He will be irrelevant in less then 7 days.January 13, 2021 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1938494
ENS -“2. Trump incited a riot (which has led to the deaths of several people).”
You’re the Opposite of your SN!
This is one Major Insurection by Libs and the Media, Members of Congress, including Republicans against the President of the US.January 13, 2021 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #1938541
To Coffee Addict – Do you have any questions for me?January 14, 2021 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1938554
Yea are aware the republican party abandoned the notion of a “platform” ? Really, they declared it is whatever trump says it is. Sad but true.January 14, 2021 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1938559
I am really worried what trump can still do in these days left and the possible violence to come- by refusing to step down peacefully and recognizing the will of the voters he has done lasting damage to not only ours, but all democracies around the world. I believe that he was sent to us as a warning of the fragility of our world and society and what self absorption and the utter inability to Ever apologize/ self reflect can wrought. It has damaged my faith to see so many taken into his influence. Even if some good things happened for israel in the past for years, what a cost.January 14, 2021 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1938561
CS -“In 10 days from now Donald J Trump will be as relevant as James Earl Carter, why is everyone so worked up?”
They are worked up because all the Goyishe Prophets say that Trump will be re-elected by the 20th.
I don’t claim to be a Novi, like them.
But one thing I know, Hashem will Not let this Country turn into S’dom, with the DemonCrats in Total Control!January 14, 2021 8:42 am at 8:42 am #1938616
@Health Unlike Donald J Trump I am a Republican and have always been a GOPer,
Trump’s political party affiliation has changed numerous times. He registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987, switched to the Reform Party in 1999, the Democratic Party in 2001, and back to the Republican Party in 2009.
In 1987, Trump placed full-page advertisements in three major newspapers, proclaiming “America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves. The advertisements also advocated for “reducing the budget deficit, working for peace in Central America, and speeding up nuclear disarmament negotiations with the Soviet Union”. DCCC chair Rep. Beryl Anthony Jr. told The New York Times that “the message Trump has been preaching is a Democratic message.
The fact is that the senate is 50/50 the house almost so, even if there is total Democrat control we had that before and we survived, Hashem has his chesbonos and anyone who says he know what it is is a total and aboslute kofer.January 14, 2021 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1938733
CS -“Unlike Donald J Trump I am a Republican and have always been a GOPer”
And unlike you, I’m not affiliated with any Party. I don’t care about political parties.
Maybe Trump is similar to me?!?
I post what I see is the Truth.
What I’ve seen is a Bogus election with somehow the DemonCrats got 2 out of 3 areas of our National Government!
That’s why I posted this -“But one thing I know, Hashem will Not let this Country turn into S’dom, with the DemonCrats in Total Control!”January 14, 2021 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1938760
Everyone is all worked up because the current social climate thrives on getting people worked up. Specifically, promoting that you believe in an ideology and getting people worked up to fight those who oppose it is the best way to drum up support for yourself.
Most of the media doesn’t like Republicans, and they found that Democrats can get worked up really quickly if you find them an enemy so they promoted Trump as The Sutun incarnate.
The Republicans in turn got their constitutes worked up by pretending that Trump is what everyone wanted all along and everyone is a victim because of that.
Trump lost the election and was plummeting towards irrelevancy, so he worked up his supporters into following a farce.
The Democrats realized that they can get their constitutes worked up more if they gang up to fight a lame duck than they would if they did something useful, like fix the mess that is the COVID vaccine.
And here we are. Who knows where we’ll be next week?January 14, 2021 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1938776
Yeserb -“Who knows where we’ll be next week?”
I just posted what will be Next week:
“They are worked up because all the Goyishe Prophets say that Trump will be re-elected by the 20th.
I don’t claim to be a Novi, like them.
But one thing I know, Hashem will Not let this Country turn into S’dom, with the DemonCrats in Total Control!”January 14, 2021 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #1938795
I think you will see real movement on the covid vaccine distributed and administered as soon as Bidens team is in place – this is a quality team of experienced professionals . As a physician, this gives me some real hope. May you all be healthy and free of this plauge no matter politics!January 14, 2021 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1938803
We will definitely see real movement under Biden. I have at least 2 friends inside big hospital networks (pharmacy included) who said they are holding back vaccines to make sure trump does not get credit. (First hand info, not tucker or rush)January 14, 2021 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1938835
Oh, Syag, how about reporting that info to the proper authorities. This is a serious crime. Posting these claims here, makes me suspect you are just making stuff up or taking it out of context to make your partisan political point. Seriously, if you want unity and us all to heal, how about start by stepping up and doing the right thing.
Not holding my breath.January 15, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1939086
@Health You think this country isn’t already S’dom? I fail to see why the immoral anti-marriage, anti-family, and anti-decency practices of President Trump are better than the practices of someone like Pete Buttigieg.
@syag-lchochma Considering the total blackout of information regarding vaccine distribution, even to healthcare workers, can you excuse me if I take every claim with a massive grain of salt?
@jack-nadler @jackpot Unfortunately, Biden seems to think that killing a dead duck is more important than saving lives.January 15, 2021 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #1939090
Im not sure what blackout or how that ties in but considering you don’t know me you would be foolish to accept it at face value. I think believing random news flashes is a huge problem among some of the posters. Those who know me know i wouldn’t have said it if it wasn’t true.January 15, 2021 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1939122
Yeser -“You think this country isn’t already S’dom? I fail to see why the immoral anti-marriage, anti-family, and anti-decency practices of President Trump are better than the practices of someone like Pete Buttigieg”
It’s not my fault that you don’t know much Torah!
Did you learn in Yeshiva?
Come here and tell me – what of the 7 Mitzvos was Trump Oiver?
I guess you think the Country should allow Abortion and other Terrible Sins?!?January 15, 2021 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1939138
@Health Who said anything about the Sheva Mitzvos? I’m talking about basic immorality. And are you disagreeing with Rav Moshe Feinstein regarding abortion?January 15, 2021 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1939158
Yesr -“And are you disagreeing with Rav Moshe Feinstein regarding abortion?”
Are you claiming that R’ Moshe said abortion is Muttar for Goyim?
I don’t believe that for a second. He doesn’t argue with the Torah.January 16, 2021 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1939348
@health If Rav Moshe ZT”L was as strong against abortion as people claim he was, he would have made a big deal to oppose Roe v. Wade. Instead he did the opposite. Rav JB Soleiveitchik ZT”L was much more machmire on abortion than Rav Moshe and did oppose it.
And I do believe it’s a machlokes if Trump was oiver on Giluy Arayos, and a different machlokes if Buttigieg was. So both are in the same boat.
All this is besides the point. What changes have the GOP done to stop things like DADT or overturn Obergefell v. Hodges? What has Trump said in opposition to things like the NY state law of partial birth abortions? Just because far-right conservative commentators (even some frum ones) like to pretend that the Republicans in DC are on the side of morality as defined by the Torah, does not make it true.January 16, 2021 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1939350
Yser: Rav Moshe was adamantly opposed to abortion. This is a matter of undisputed record. For you to falsely imply that he did “the opposite” of opposing it, is a libelous falsehood.
There’s no machlokes that Buttigieg is clearly guilty of giluy aroyos.
Obergefell was opposed by Republicans. But only the Supreme Court can overturn it. And Trump has appointed Supreme Court justices opposed to Obergefell.January 17, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1939354January 17, 2021 7:33 am at 7:33 am #1939419
Ujm -“There’s no machlokes that Buttigieg is clearly guilty of giluy aroyos”
That’s what Libs do. Either they equate the two parties or say the Republicans are worse.
It shows that they have a guilty conscience trying to manipulate every Frum person that there is Nothing wrong with Supporting DemonCrats!January 17, 2021 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #1939699
@health Mishkav Zachar is a mahlokes if it’s a mitzvas bnei Noach. Same with a married man being mezaneh. There is no question that the latter is morally wrong, even for goyim, both according to the Torah and according to the current secular social systems. So I don’t see why we are making a fuss.
@ujm I believe that Rav Moshe ZT”L wrote in Iggors Moshe that abortion is bad, but sometimes necessary for medical reasons so we should not oppose building abortion clinics because it may endanger pregnant women who are in a state of sakonos nefashos. While not explicit endorsement of RvW, it’s certainly not the Xtian or OANN approach to the matter either.January 18, 2021 1:54 am at 1:54 am #1939729
1. Mishkav Zachar is NOT a mahlokes that it’s assur for a bnei Noach.
2. Rav Moshe did NOT say what you attribute to him.
3. Mishkav Zochor is multitudes worse than a married man being mezane (with an unmarried woman). Including for a bnei Noach.January 18, 2021 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1939946ParticipantParticipant
I don’t get the post-term conviction. seems like that’s what’s happening. McConnell said no vote before inauguration and they’re working on trying 6him afterward. what does that accomplish? kill his 2024 Chance? even if so what are the legal mechanics behind that–i.e. what legality can the Senate’s conviction of a regular citizen have?January 18, 2021 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1939966
Yesr -“Mishkav Zachar is a mahlokes if it’s a mitzvas bnei Noach”
You and other Libs can’t argue with the Gemorah/Torah!
This is Not called a Machlokes.January 19, 2021 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1940222
I welcome being corrected, but I still fail to see how we can classify an avaryan as being a good person just because there’s a different avaryan who may be worse.
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