March 2, 2010 3:07 am at 3:07 am #591307
After drinking many bottles of wine on purim, it hit me (not the bottle) why Moshiach is not here.
It says by the Avos, Hashem didn’t give them children right away because he wanted them to daven for it. Is it possible that Moshiach is not here because we don’t specifically ask for him?
Yes, we all want him but by daveing don’t we ask for health, money,shidduch, etc….
What are your thoughts? should we all daven really hard, at least until pesach for the quick coming of Moshiach??March 2, 2010 3:30 am at 3:30 am #675989bearupphojParticipant
Nah. I asked a couple of weeks ago already.March 2, 2010 3:30 am at 3:30 am #675990jphoneMember
im all for davening for moshiach (and anything else) all the time. nevertheless, unless you can verify that you are an advisor to the ribbono shel olam, statements like “moshiach is not here because….” are tough to take seriously. I know you didnt mean it, but the name of the thread should be rewritten if possible.
btw. dont you daven shomeh esrei three times a day? es tzemach david…..March 2, 2010 3:31 am at 3:31 am #675991
Yout right. We got to keep davening, REALLY daven for moshiach.
When Reb Chaim Pinchos Scheinberg was in America a few years ago, I went to see him. We davened Mincha together and Reb Chaim was the Chazzan. The emotion that the Rav had during ???????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????????, was amazing. We all put all our emotions into the other brochos. The Rav is begging and pleading for Yerushalayim!
And chesed, keep on doing chessed, thats sure gonna speed up the geulah!March 2, 2010 3:57 am at 3:57 am #675992
“btw. dont you daven shomeh esrei three times a day? es tzemach david…..”
we do say it 3 times a day, but how many of us have the proper kavana and say it like we mean it?March 2, 2010 4:25 am at 4:25 am #675993jphoneMember
my point is , like health and everything else you mentioned, we DO specifically ask for moshiach. three times a day.
what you are advocating is not davening for moshiach specifically, rather to daven with kavana.March 2, 2010 5:08 am at 5:08 am #675994JewessMember
Anything is possible…but in my humble opinion it is probably a lack of ahavat yisrael that is causing the delay of the Mashiach.March 2, 2010 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #675995Be HappyParticipant
I think we need to consider other questions:
Are you really waiting for Moshiach?
Do you think about Moshiach coming constantly?
Are you ready to leave your house if need be?March 2, 2010 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #675997SJSinNYCMember
Its hard to yearn for something you don’t really understand.March 2, 2010 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #675998haifagirlParticipant
Every day, when I insert my personal tefillos into Shemoneh Esrei, I always ask for Moshiach. However, I have a feeling the Chofetz Chaim and Chazon Ish and others also asked for Moshiach, and if their tefillos weren’t enough, what chance do mine have?March 2, 2010 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #675999YW Moderator-80Member
It’s the old mashul about a little person standing on the shoulders of giants.
Or how about the single straw that broke the camel’s back.
Or if you remember chemistry lab, the single drop of acid that finally made the solution turn red.
Or the long fuse, but the final spark sets off the explosion.March 2, 2010 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #676000kapustaParticipant
haifagirl, if Hashem decided that He will send Mashiach when there are (lets say) 100 Tefillos. Only 90 of them are able to be filled by people like the Chofetz Chaim and the Chazon Ish, and the remainder must come from “everyone else”, then your Tefillos accomplish just as much. Additionally, for the people you mentioned, who were involved with issues involving the public, they felt the need for Mashiach more. For someone who isnt, they need to “work harder” to feel the need for Mashiach. Your (seemingly) simple Tefilla will accomplish more than anyone can imagine, and never forget that no Tefilla is ever wasted.
About the original post, I once heard from a teacher of mine, that on Yom haChuppah, people ask for everything, but they tend to forget that davening for Mashiach includes it all.
There can be any number of reasons why Mashiach isnt here yet, but wanting him more, and davening more, will definitely help to bring him faster.March 2, 2010 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #676001anuranParticipant
Or maybe his arrival is on the Almighty’s schedule, not ours.March 3, 2010 3:29 am at 3:29 am #676006not2brightMember
as they say, “the well was never full until it is empty”- you don’t appreciate something until it’s gone, so too the other way, we can’t, or at least it’s hard to appreciate the fact that the beis hamikdash isn’t here until we know what we are lacking, so it’s hard but we gotta work on it and try
also, we can’t just expect to walk into davening and when we get up to es tzemach, feel sorry and start crying for the beis hamikdash/mashiach, we have to make it part of our livesMarch 3, 2010 3:34 am at 3:34 am #676007HIEParticipant
If people would be learning Torah and doing maasim tovim instead of blogging maybe the geulAh would be hereMarch 3, 2010 3:44 am at 3:44 am #676008goody613Member
when i say es tzemach dovid- i ask Hashem to help me really yearn for moshiachMarch 3, 2010 3:48 am at 3:48 am #676010
“If people would be learning Torah and doing maasim tovim instead of blogging maybe the geulAh would be here”
Hashem Is Everywhere, start doing!!!March 3, 2010 3:51 am at 3:51 am #676011goody613Member
Im sure everyone knows the story about how moshiach came into every shul dressed differently then the people there and was thrown out.the reason the beis hamikdash was destroyed was because of sinaas chinam. if everyone would accept people for who they are maybe then moshiach will come. bemhayrah veyamanuMarch 3, 2010 3:52 am at 3:52 am #676012
Amen!March 3, 2010 3:59 am at 3:59 am #676013
YW Moderator-80: “It’s the old mashul about a little person standing on the shoulders of giants” I love Fried’s song about that mashul, “On Giants Shoulders” (maybe this should go onto the “Most Heartfelt Jewish Song In Your View” thread, but anyways…)March 3, 2010 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #676014aries2756Participant
I was always taught and therefore I believe that Moshiach will come when we deservie to receive him. So davening alone will not do the trick. It is what every single person comes up with, sinas chinam, ahavas yisroel, davening, learning, not cheating, not stealing, not molesting, not abusing, not breaking the laws. Basically being ideal Jews representing Hashem’s Torah, Mitzvos and maasim tovim.March 3, 2010 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #676016
You all have great points. what i was trying to bring out, even if we’re perfect maybe hashem still wants us to ask for moshiach and mean it. like the avos hashem wanted to give them children and of course they deserved it, but hashem wanted them to daven for children before it came. I’m not saying lets do what we want and just ask for moshiach!March 4, 2010 4:46 am at 4:46 am #676017anuranParticipant
chesedname, prayers are always answered. Sometimes the answer is “No”. Moshiach will come when it suits the Divine purpose. It is good to pray for that day, but I find the idea that we can coerce the Master of the Universe into doing our bidding against the Divine Will … troublesome.March 4, 2010 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #676018tomim tihyeMember
Nevertheless, doesn’t the Novi tell us that Moshiach can come either “b’ito”, in its time, or “achishena”, speeded up, meaning that we have the power to determine to some extent the time Moshiach will come?
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