October 8, 2013 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #610824
I’m noticing that except for YWN and VIN, there does not appear to have been any mention of the Petirah of Rav Ovadiah in the US frum community. In Monsey, the batei midrash I was in had no signs indicating the Petirah. My son’s yeshiva said nothing about it. I heard that in Lakewood/BMG, there were no hespedim or any mention of it at all. Where is the Kavod HaTorah we expect to come from the premier institutions of Torah in America? Was Rav Ovadiah not worthy of Kavod? It appears that our counter-parts in Eretz Yisrael thought he was important enough to stop shiurim/learning and go to his Levaya. Perhaps It might have been nice for one of the multiple Roshei Yeshiva of BMG to give a Hesped, or at least say something?October 8, 2013 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #978707
Hmmmm…..Im not there so I can’t do much about that….but thats a shame…..October 8, 2013 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #978708abcd2Participant
Two satellite locations were available in Lakewood, and 107.9 radio carried an audio stream.
Wait till shabbos and mussar shmussen this week I am sure many rabbonim will speak about Rav yosef ZTlOctober 8, 2013 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #978709Geordie613Participant
He only passed away yesterday, it is the begining of zman. I’m certain there will be something once the yeshivos settle down. Maybe for end of shiva or shloshimOctober 8, 2013 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #978710nossbMember
Lakewood and Monsey didn’t close down when Rav Eliashev was niftar. What more exactly do you want here?
Chacham Ovadia Yosef zt’l was a great godol, but he was the mora d’asra of the Sephardic community not the Ashkenazic community. So there is a difference in that regard too.October 8, 2013 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #978711
I saw that YU gave Hespedim. It’s on YUTorah right now. One from a Talmid of his and one from R’ WIllig. I honestly hope this isn’t true. I’m very surprised Lakewood didn’t do anything.October 8, 2013 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #978712
My point is that the Litvish Roshei Yeshiva of Eretz Yisroel stopped the learning and sent their talmidim to the levaya. It’s the beginning of the zeman there too. Why couldn’t Lakewood take 15 minutes to say a hesped for a Gadol Batorah (he was a Gadol even if he was a Sephardi. How dare anybody suggest he deserves less kavod because he was a Sephardi).October 8, 2013 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #978714
The premise of this post is based on ignorance. If the levaya would have been held in Lakewood, the entir Lakewood Yeshiva would have gone. However, the levaya was held in Israel. What do you want, that everyone in Lakewood should buy $2,000 tickets to go to Isael for the levaya??
Unless your question is, why didn’t everyone in Lakewood “just do something”? Something – anything – to show what exactly?
Do you want everyone in Lakewood to bang their heads in the wall in honor of Rav Ovadiah Yosef? Do you want them to do somersaults in honor of Rav Ovadiah Yosef?
“Doing something” is not a Jewish concept.
There were hookups in Lakewood for the levaya, just as there were hookups for Rav Elyashiv’s levaya. There will be hespedim for Rav Ovadiah Yosef, just as there were hespedim for Rav Elyashiv. But to answer your question, no, nobody will be doing somersaults in Lakewood in honor of Rav Ovadiah Yosef.October 8, 2013 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #978715
abcd2 – yea, NOW there will be, now that the heat is on them
Huge bizayon hatorah.
FYI: In torah vodaas, rabbi belsky delivered a hesped yesterday during the levaya in eretz yisroel.October 8, 2013 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #978716
Yungerman from Lakewood – the yeshiva should have had the decency to hang up a sign “tora torah chigri sak” or one of the other lines used by gedolim on levaya notices.
i have lost all respect for bmgOctober 8, 2013 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #978717
Yungerman from Lakewood:
Saying a Hesped is not “just doing something”. The world of Torah lost a GIANT and the Roshei Yeshiva of BMG could not find ANY time to say a few words to show they felt the loss? Perhaps, as somebody else suggested, Rav Ovadiah did not represent “our Torah”? Perhaps in Lakewood, they don’t feel the loss?October 8, 2013 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #978718
What I don’t understand is why all the businesses in Manahattan didn’t stop their work schedule and have hespedim yesterday. This was a huge bizayon hatorah on the part of all the working people of Klal Yisroel. In Eretz Yisroel, ALL the businesses shut down. They ALL went to the levaya. Why couldn’t ALL the businesses in NY close for 15 minutes and have hespedim?
Such bizayon hatorah on the part of the working members of klal yisroel in NY is unprecedented in recorded history of klal yisroel.October 8, 2013 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #978719HaLeiViParticipant
They should have had a momment of silence. (Kidding, by the way.)
It bothered me too. But I think it was explained well by the above commenters. They didn’t stop learning by R’ Elyashiv either and you didn’t complain then.
What still does bother me is why there wasn’t much Tehillim going on. Not now not by R’ Elyashiv ZL.October 8, 2013 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #978720
The bizayon hatorah here, is the stupidity coming from the anonymous know it alls who determined that they know everything, and then decide they have license to besmirch whole communities, in the name of kavod hatorah.October 8, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #978721Geordie613Participant
Yussel, You don’t just say a hesped randomly. What would happen in the yeshivos i learned in is that at the end of shiva, they would finish seder at 6 (instead of 7.30) and the Rosh Yeshiva and a famous talmid of the niftar would speak for say 45 minutes each.
You cant expect that to be arranged on the day of the petira at a few hours notice.October 8, 2013 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #978723heretohelpMember
I think the premise of this question is flawed- what do you mean there was no mention of it, by who? Or by whom?October 8, 2013 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #978724
All schools in Israel got off early…to go to the levayah…..even gans and girl schoolsOctober 8, 2013 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #978725BoruchSchwartzParticipant
Yungerman from Lakewood-
Please work on your middosOctober 8, 2013 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #978726oomisParticipant
Boruch Dayan HaEmes. He should be a meilitz yosher for klal Yisroel. One does not have to be Sefardi, to mourn the loss of a Godol of his stature.October 8, 2013 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #978728notsuchalamdan16Participant
i was in bmg and i saw signs both announcing the petira and listing where the live hook ups were. it was also in the middle of the chavrusa tumult and I’m not really offended if a 25 yr old yeshiva guy learning lumdus all day isn’t interested in the levaya i don’t know if many can appreciate what chacham ovadia ztl meant to us. i saw a story brought down there was someone in his library and the rebbetzin told him that every sefer in this library was studied and know to chacham or else it wouldn’t be thereOctober 8, 2013 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #978729
The Rav Z’l was a true oheiv yisroel, and there are those sowing seeds of discord using his kavod hatorah as the excuse. That is the true bizayon.October 8, 2013 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #978730
You take what would otherwise be a reasonable argument and make yourself look foolish. I never suggested what you are suggesting I said. Businesses in NYC is one thing. However, a Yeshiva, like BMG is a place devoted 24/7 to Torah. One would expect that at least the people THERE would feel the pain of the loss of a Gadol like Rav OVadiah in a way the rest of us might not. And YES, one might expect SOME display of that feeling, not just business as usual.October 8, 2013 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #978733
Actually my counterpoint to your unreasonable argument is quite brilliant.
Your entire original comment is based on the fact that “our counterparts in Israel closed their gemaras and went to the levaya.” Our counterparts in Israel also closed their businesses and went to the levaya.
Why don’t you ask “where were the hespedim in all the businesses?”
Is it because you have a beef with Lakewood and you’re using Rav Ovadiah Yosef’s name to bash Lakewood? Do you have a beef with all bnei Torah? Do you have a beef with all Ashkenazim? What is your beef, and why do are you being mevazeh Rav Ovadiah Yosef by using his levaya as an excuse to besmirch the lomdei Torah of Lakewood and other areas?
Why??October 8, 2013 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #978734nossbMember
Yussel: Yungerman from Lakewood is correct.
Nothing was done differently for this levaya than was done by Rav Eliashev’s levaya. Where were you then?October 8, 2013 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #978735REALISTMember
If you would understand what made R’ Ovadya tick, you wouldn’t talk like this.
He himself would not want what you seem to be demanding to take place.October 8, 2013 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #978736
I”m not a sephardi and I don’t have any particular beef with Lakewood. I was more shocked at the fact that my son’s yeshiva did not even MENTION the Petirah, forget about having a hesped.
I am modeh that my complaints have crossed a line where I am attacking Lomdei Torah and for that I apologize. I thought I sensed some lack of respect for the Gadol, but my objection was misplaced. Also, it is most likely true that Rav Ovadiah himself would not approve of anybody attacking Yeshivos in his name.October 8, 2013 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #978737LevAryehMember
Yungerman from Lakewood is 100% correct. Say the levaya had been pushed off until today, would all the yeshivos in Israel have closed yesterday? No. The reason they closed was to attend the levaya. Being that no one in Lakewood (or anywhere out of Israel, for that matter) was physically able to attend the levaya, it would have been pointless for them to close yeshiva on the day of the levaya.
Obviously there will be hespedim in Lakewood after the fact, as there were by R’ Elyashiv.October 8, 2013 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #978738
Yungerman from Lakewood “Is it because you have a beef with Lakewood and you’re using Rav Ovadiah Yosef’s name to bash Lakewood? Do you have a beef with all bnei Torah? Do you have a beef with all Ashkenazim?”
#1- I live in Lakewood, and learned in BMG for 8 years.
#2- I have no “beef” with bnei torah. I support many kollelim, learn 4 hours a day, including a chavrusa who is a choshuva rov.
#3- I am an shkenazi.
All that said, I AM DISGUSTED WITH BMG.October 8, 2013 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #978739
Whoever said rhere was no tehilim said must be joking.
we must of had said at least 2hrs, x 400 girls is 800 hrs tehilim, and that was DURING SCHOOL. And only my school, you want to add in every other school who davened and said tehilim?!?!
Plus We DID DO something, there was not a dry eye in my city as I walked home early. Everyone cried….at least in Israel, did America cry, cry that there are so little Gedolai Hador left?!?!?!??October 8, 2013 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #978740REALISTMember
I understand your feelings toward BMG.
They find people to build new botei medrash and dormitories.
And they can’t find anyone to sponsor a new stable for you, l’zecher nishmas a loved one?
No wonder you’re disgusted!October 8, 2013 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #978741
I will say this. I would be disappointed in any Yeshivah that did not have some sort of Divrei Hesped for R’ Ovadia or R’ Elyashiv. Any Yeshivah, no matter how big or small.
HaLeivi: Maybe a moment of silence wouldn’t have been so inappropriate. There is a T’shuvah in the Yaskil Avdi that brings Mekoros that a moment of silence is a legitimate Jewish way to commemorate something. I know R’ Ovadia quoted this T’shuvah, but I don’t remember if he was pro or con.October 8, 2013 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #978742Torah613TorahParticipant
My Ashkenazic facebook friends have been posting about it.October 8, 2013 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #978743theObviousMember
Before you go disrespecting all of monsey and lakewood, saying how now you have no respect for them and all that, step back. A gadol bYisroel was just niftar. The first thing you can do is make more machlokes by pitting against ashkenazik communities? just because this is online does not mean you are not responsible for the loshon hara and the damage you cause.
We are all affected by this huge loss equally. A gadol bYisroel, whom we need desperately, has been lost. Baruch Dayan HaemesOctober 9, 2013 2:19 am at 2:19 am #978744147Participant
I believe that Yeshiva University already held 2 Hespedim at lunchtime at the time of the Levaye.
BTW:- How many babies this Tuesday morning have already been named Ovadiah?
I was Zoche to meet Rav Ovadiah Yosef ZT”l numerous times:- I have met him in Israel, the UK, and the USA. There was a time I would attend Shabbos Mincho followed by Seudo Shelishis at the Sefardi Minyan on the ground floor of the Heichal Shlomo Shul building, where he was speaking, each week.October 9, 2013 2:20 am at 2:20 am #978745SanityIsOverratedParticipant
He may not have been my Rabbi, but I can still recognize his greatness in all he has done. Without him, The worst thing we can do is more finger pointing. Right now we need to find more Zechusim for ALL of Klal Yisroel. Don’t look at what wasn’t done. Just notice how many did do something. Even if he wasn’t their Rabbi. Even if they had crazy schedules. Even if they were at work, school, or even busy at home. We may be far away, but even here in America we were affected. Baruch Daayan HaEmes.October 9, 2013 3:08 am at 3:08 am #978746showjoeParticipant
i go to a yeshiva in monsey, and there the rosh hayeshiva gave a very nice hesped first thing in the morning.October 9, 2013 3:35 am at 3:35 am #978747rebdonielMember
I saw a lovely hesped posted on the website of Ohr Reuven.October 9, 2013 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #978749wallflowerParticipant
Hamodia printed an entire magazine about him.October 9, 2013 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #978750live rightMember
people, it is time to start being able to separate good and bad actions of people. Sometimes there is bad amongst good but that DOES NOT cancel out the good. there are thousands of people learning in BMG and regardless of anything else that may be going on there, we need torah learning and they are doing it. you see what is going on in Israel after the gedolim are niftar. this world needs Torah and every time there is great torah learning lost, we can see the effects. appreciate those that are learning because without them, this world would only continue to spiral downwards.
im not condoning bad actions. I am just saying that you cant turn a blind eye to the good of a person just because you disagree with some other aspect of their actions.
and also, look in the mirror. where is your animosity coming from? think about itOctober 9, 2013 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #978751miritchkaMember
A gadol was niftar and if not for the fact that it was mentioned here on yeshiva world, i wouldnt have known about it until my husband would mention it or until our shabbos magazines arrived.
It is a shame. One of teh last gedolei b’yisrael was taken away from us and it wasnt publicized the way other gedolim’s petiros were. I am ashkenaz. I work. And when i found out, as i am sure many other working people did when they found out, was say ‘BD”E’ and then look for stories about him. No, i couldnt fly out to E”Y, but i was able to learn a tiny bit of what a special person he was and the impact he has had on many.
Yes, IMHO, I believe that people can feel sad that a place with a tremendous amount of limud torah, that has had gedolim walk their halls, that has kollel yungerleit, and many others learning torah there, and they didnt stop for a half hour to learn l’zecher nishmas R’ Ovadia zt”l. Or even just to say tehillim for half an hour. As mentioned above, even girls schools stopped to say tehillim!! (not to put down girsl schools, but if girls schools can stop for R’ Ovadiah, halevai that yeshivos should stop too)October 9, 2013 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #978752streekgeekParticipant
And just for the record – Lakewood did have hespeidim last night which was heavily attended.October 9, 2013 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #978753adam12Participant
miritchka, what are you talking about? How were the other gedolim’s petira publicized or treated any differently than here? It was the same for all of them. Did you want your supervisor to stop the work and dial-in to the levaya?October 9, 2013 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #978754
“I believe that people can feel sad that a place with a tremendous amount of limud torah, that has had gedolim walk their halls, that has kollel yungerleit, and many others learning torah there, and they didnt stop for a half hour to learn l’zecher nishmas R’ Ovadia zt”l.
You know this as a fact or are you just parroting the irresponsible opening comment of this thread that is every much the bizayon hatorah as the NY Post articles about the Rav Z’l.October 9, 2013 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #978755wallflowerParticipant
Correct me if I’m wrong, but much of this thread seems to be posts from Ashkenazim who want to make themselves feel righteous for defending the kavod of Sephardim. Kind of a reverse affirmative action.October 9, 2013 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #978756About TimeParticipant
Yungerman from Lakewood hit the nail on it’s head
(hmm,did YU skip Divrei Hesped for R’ Elyashiv
..seems there’s an agenda)
R’ Ovadia zt”l if there’s a comparison to be made has been more publicized by far due to:
1.the media wants to imply Rabbi is must be someone only if useful for the benighted masses
2.the media(,internet included,who fought and hated him till this week)wish to turn him into something so big,
that now if anyone so chooses to challenge much of his manifold leniencies ,will be shouted down by
those same masses
2.As a slight to others whose influence penetrated differently but heavier
From An Ashkenazi who tore his shirt on the news of the PetirahOctober 9, 2013 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #978757
I believe YU also gave Divrei Hesped for R’ Elyashiv.October 9, 2013 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #978758
About Time: the truth slipped out in your post. Your point #2 about the Kulos of Rav Ovadiah indicates your disapproval of an approach that tried to make things easier rather than harder and tried to keep more people within the world of Torah. Rav Ovadiah had the shoulders to do that. Others did not like what he was doing because they think that more chumros are needed to safeguard Yiddishkeit.October 9, 2013 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #978759About TimeParticipant
4.To keep up the pretense to their traditional and orthodox mass following(i.e.including most of you cofferoomers )that they are less anti than they indeed are..October 9, 2013 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #978760
Also, Rav Shachter delivered a hespec on Rav Nosson Tzvi Finkel while the Levaya was ongoing in Eretz Yisroel, and they also has hespeidim on Rav Elyashiv.
So get lost with you ugly, hateful, biased, a pack-of-lies agenda.October 9, 2013 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #978761twistedParticipant
About a moment of silence. This has a bad rap because of its use in the secular world, and the Israeli siren meshugass. It is nevertheless, a legitimate expression of avelus or tanchumim. We learn aveilus from Iyov, and not to speak before the avel speaks. I once asked a shaila if I was yotze nichum avelim if I just sat silently, at a loss for words. I was told that the essence of nichum avelim is to identify and share the avel’s tzaar and this can be by just being there, even if silent.
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