Will Orthodox Jews Ever Control the Knesset
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March 12, 2013 3:17 am at 3:17 am #608560thegraMember
With the increasing orthodox population in Israel, is it possible for Orthodox Jews to take over the Knesset and change the laws in accordance with halacha? Can we finally get our land back?March 12, 2013 3:25 am at 3:25 am #936174Torah613TorahParticipant
No, because they all have to agree on what law to change first, and what is halacha, and whether to hold by the Rambam or the Rif.March 12, 2013 3:30 am at 3:30 am #936175truthsharerMember
By Orthodox do you mean frum Jews or do you mean Charedim?
Because right now frum Jews make up a good chunk.March 12, 2013 3:44 am at 3:44 am #936176thegraMember
true there are differences in halachic thought but there are certain things that everyone agrees on- such as that it is assur to drive on shabbos. Can we make it a illegal to drive on shabbos in Israel? Two eidim will testify against someone who drives on shabbos if it is not an emergency. That person will then be executed or at least thrown in jail.March 12, 2013 3:52 am at 3:52 am #936177yytzParticipant
If present demographic trends continue, an Orthodox majority in the Knesset should be possible within the next few decades, perhaps 50 years or less. If the Orthodox Sephardim, Chassidim, Litvish, and Dati Leumi parties together have over half of the Knesset seats, they could technically form a coalition and govern.
But it wouldn’t be so simple as to simply change the laws in accordance with halacha, because each group has their own interpretations, and their own batei din for that matter (which already makes the existence of the Rabbanut kind of pointless, except as a way to assert dominance and get people jobs.)
Also, there will be a machlokes about to what degree it’s desireable or permitted to impose halacha on the chilonim before the arrival of Moshiach. Chabadniks, for example, would probably never agree to forcing the chilonim to do anything, or punishing them for transgressions, because that goes against everything their Rebbe ever said about kiruv. The dati leumi will probably be sensitive to the fears of the chilonim and keep them from leaving the country (to avoid an economic collapse, for one thing).
I think as a practical matter, democracy as we know it (as opposed to a theocracy run on non-democratic Torah laws) will have to continue until the Messianic era. It might even make more sense to have a separation of shul and state after an Orthodox majority emerges, because that way each community can rely to a large degree on their own autonomous batei din, and wouldn’t have to worry about the Rabbanut or the state getting in the way of their communities’ practices.
That doesn’t mean some things won’t change — I’m sure they will. Perhaps pork will be illegal. Perhaps some civil law and tort law principles will be changed to align with halacha. But I wouldn’t anticipate punishing Shabbos desecrators and heretics, and things of that nature.March 12, 2013 5:12 am at 5:12 am #936178ari-freeParticipant
You don’t need to make it illegal to drive on Shabbos. Just turn off all the traffic lights and allow pedestrians to take over the streets.March 13, 2013 3:32 am at 3:32 am #936179About TimeParticipant
If referring to a chareidi/chardal/traditional alliance, then as long as they hold together, despite all efforts against them to divide and conquer, then hopefully it will happen.
As per the small srugim, let’s state truth. They desperately prefer a very secular state [ more than the secular themselves]March 13, 2013 4:14 am at 4:14 am #936180Charles ShortMember
Thing about power. When you get it; you are responsible for what you do with it. I think this is a novel problem of halacha for religious jews. (or at least a problem over 2000 years old in reference to Death Penalty power.)March 13, 2013 11:08 am at 11:08 am #936181Sam2Participant
Thegra: We can’t give the death penalty without a Beis Hamikdash (sort of; I’m not going to go into the details of what is required, but we certainly can’t before Bias Hamashiach).March 13, 2013 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #936182akupermaParticipant
1. There could be a Shomer Shabbos majority in the foreseeable party. Note that the non-religious parties have an increasing number of members who are Shomer Shabbos. The less being Shomer Shabbos correlates with one’s political views, the greater the chance of a Shomer Shabbos majority.
2. What does “land” have to do with things? We will get Eretz Yisrael back when Meshiach comes.
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