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  • #616529
    HOME ALONE
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    Why is it acceptable for the guys and not for the girls?

    #1108194
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Because hospital gowns aren’t tzniusdik.

    #1108195
    TheGoq
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    Who said it was acceptable for guys?

    #1108196
    Shopping613 🌠
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    Because it’s looks disgusting. A lady should not smoke, first of all it’s bad for anyone, men or women, and second of all it looks so street/gangster like for girls and it’s disgusting. Why would you want to ruin your family?

    You need to be healthy enough to get pregnant, and I don’t think you should/can smoke when pregnant. That’s a problem if you plan on having like 10 kids..

    Many reasons.

    #1108197
    One Liner
    Member

    DY good point.

    #1108198
    DikDukDuck
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    I dunno.

    #1108199
    Joseph
    Participant

    “Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B.

    For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache.

    #1108200
    HOME ALONE
    Member

    I think there’s a gemach for modest hospital gowns.

    #1108201
    HOME ALONE
    Member

    Why do you think it looks worse when girls do it?

    #1108202
    HOME ALONE
    Member

    What if she does it when no one is around?

    #1108203
    charliehall
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    #1108204
    Mammele
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    Because most Jewish women going back hundreds of years were smarter than the men and didn’t get hooked on tobacco… And still are.

    #1108205
    👑RebYidd23
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    Because smoking was never a girl thing.

    #1108206
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    what mammele said

    #1108207
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Female chauvinists

    #1108208
    Sam2
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    There is a fascinating Tshuvah in the Tshuvos V’Hanhagos (R’ Shternbuch) where he says that women smoking is an Issur of Begged Ish. I was curious why or how this could be so, so I did research. It was illegal for women to smoke in public in South Africa until the 1990s (maybe 1980s). So he never saw a woman smoking. Hence, he considered it Begged Ish.

    To answer the OP, I reject his assumption that it’s acceptable for guys to smoke.

    #1108209
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Sam, this may be one of those things which is inherently masculine.

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/women-smoking-1#post-585443

    #1108210
    Geordie613
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    Sam2, Rabbi Sternbuch only arrived in South Africa in 1983. But I take your point, as there couldn’t have been too many women smokers in Bne Brak, where he was until then.

    #1108211
    writersoul
    Member

    Joe, women physically cannot grow mustaches. (Unless they’re very unlucky, but there are ways to deal with that.) A woman physically can smoke- though both men and women who smoke are idiots who apparently have lived under a rock since the 1950s, when the first definitive studies on the horrendous harms of smoking came out.

    #1108212
    👑RebYidd23
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    Smoking is bad, and starting to smoke is a bad decision, but making a bad decision does not make a person an idiot.

    #1108213
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Smoking is not inherantly masculine, in fact there are cigatettes brands directly marketed towards women.

    That being said, Nobody should smoke and the gedolim should have assured a long time ago that nobody should smoke

    #1108214
    Mammele
    Participant

    ZD: the reason cigarette companies came out with brands targeting women was because most women weren’t smoking the “regular stuff”. Of course they would try to maximize their market share, and women are 50% of the potential market. Which proves exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convey.

    So historically speaking you’re wrong but maybe nowadays the distinction has shifted, as it has elsewhere.

    #1108215
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Nowadays the majority of Lung Cancer patients are women R’L (meaning that more women smoke than men)

    #1108216
    555
    Participant

    Geordie: That is factually wrong! Many women started smoking during or due to WWII. Even after moving to Bnei Brak. Obviously, they did not do it in public but that does not mean they did not smoke.

    ZD: The reason for the marketing was because women complained about discrimination.

    Having lung cancer is NOT an indication that person has smoked But, may have merely been in the presents of smokers. It may (or may not) indicate that 2nd hand smoke is worse than 1st hand.

    #1108217
    zahavasdad
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    Lung cancer is a rare disase among non-smoker. Its true not all smokers get lung cancer and not every lung cancer sufferer smoked. but it is likley a lung cancer patient smoked

    #1108218
    the londoner
    Member

    it just isn’t what would you think if you saw your mother smoking, would it look right?

    there`s your answer!

    #1108219
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I would think it wrong for a father to smoke too.

    #1108220

    What would you think if you saw your mother…

    Oh, I don’t know. But I’m sure there are numerous activities

    considered socially acceptable among Orthodox Jews that would

    nevertheless not look right if you saw your mother doing them.

    #1108221

    Joseph, that quote from Rav Avigdor Miller is only

    relevant if you can connect smoking to arrogance.

    #1108222
    Geordie613
    Participant

    555, Thank you. Point noted.

    #1108223
    Joseph
    Participant

    Comlink, smoking is a form of arrogance.

    #1108224

    “Many women started smoking during or due to WWII.

    Even after moving to Bnei Brak.”

    Frum women?

    #1108225
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Smoking is not a form of arrogance. It is an activity, and an activity is not a form of a personal attribute.

    #1108226

    What else is a form of arrogance? I don’t want to let people

    know that I’m arrogant, so I’d like to avoid such activities.

    #1108227
    the plumber
    Member

    It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy. Men don’t have that problem.

    #1108228
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    some random things that popped into my head as things to avoid include: habitually pointing out/correcting other’s mistakes, clarifying people’s posts as if everyone might need the help tho you didn’t, calling people out by bringing old posts that contradict present ones…

    #1108229

    Well, these old posts of yours are consistent with this one…

    (he said, with the cigarette dangling from his mouth.)

    Has The CR Been Taken Over?!?

    See you in… a while.

    (Do you still not understand the post after that one? I can help…)

    #1108230
    skripka
    Participant

    if women smoke fish is it a problem?

    #1108231
    Health
    Participant

    Plumber – “It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy”

    Any woman who’s addicted to smoking, hardly gives it up for pregnancy. It’s obvious that you’re not in the medical field.

    #1108232
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Those women who are smart enough not to smoke in the first place are the ones who would try their hardest to give it up for pregnancy if they did smoke.

    #1108233

    (It’s more about me having a psychological allergy to anything

    incorrect. As a child, I once called up the Lego company and

    complained about the historic inaccuracy of their mummy figure…)

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