October 23, 2015 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #616529
Why is it acceptable for the guys and not for the girls?October 23, 2015 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1108194
Because hospital gowns aren’t tzniusdik.October 23, 2015 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1108195TheGoqParticipant
Who said it was acceptable for guys?October 24, 2015 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #1108196Shopping613 🌠Participant
Because it’s looks disgusting. A lady should not smoke, first of all it’s bad for anyone, men or women, and second of all it looks so street/gangster like for girls and it’s disgusting. Why would you want to ruin your family?
You need to be healthy enough to get pregnant, and I don’t think you should/can smoke when pregnant. That’s a problem if you plan on having like 10 kids..
Many reasons.October 24, 2015 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #1108197One LinerMember
DY good point.October 25, 2015 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1108198DikDukDuckParticipant
I dunno.October 25, 2015 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1108199JosephParticipant
“Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B.
For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache.October 25, 2015 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1108200
I think there’s a gemach for modest hospital gowns.October 25, 2015 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1108201
Why do you think it looks worse when girls do it?October 25, 2015 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1108202
What if she does it when no one is around?October 25, 2015 2:03 am at 2:03 am #1108203charliehallParticipantOctober 25, 2015 2:34 am at 2:34 am #1108204MammeleParticipant
Because most Jewish women going back hundreds of years were smarter than the men and didn’t get hooked on tobacco… And still are.October 25, 2015 3:08 am at 3:08 am #1108205
Because smoking was never a girl thing.October 25, 2015 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1108206🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
what mammele saidOctober 25, 2015 3:49 am at 3:49 am #1108207
Female chauvinistsOctober 25, 2015 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1108208Sam2Participant
There is a fascinating Tshuvah in the Tshuvos V’Hanhagos (R’ Shternbuch) where he says that women smoking is an Issur of Begged Ish. I was curious why or how this could be so, so I did research. It was illegal for women to smoke in public in South Africa until the 1990s (maybe 1980s). So he never saw a woman smoking. Hence, he considered it Begged Ish.
To answer the OP, I reject his assumption that it’s acceptable for guys to smoke.October 26, 2015 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1108209
Sam, this may be one of those things which is inherently masculine.October 26, 2015 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1108210Geordie613Participant
Sam2, Rabbi Sternbuch only arrived in South Africa in 1983. But I take your point, as there couldn’t have been too many women smokers in Bne Brak, where he was until then.October 26, 2015 4:19 am at 4:19 am #1108211writersoulParticipant
Joe, women physically cannot grow mustaches. (Unless they’re very unlucky, but there are ways to deal with that.) A woman physically can smoke- though both men and women who smoke are idiots who apparently have lived under a rock since the 1950s, when the first definitive studies on the horrendous harms of smoking came out.October 26, 2015 5:46 am at 5:46 am #1108212
Smoking is bad, and starting to smoke is a bad decision, but making a bad decision does not make a person an idiot.October 26, 2015 11:31 am at 11:31 am #1108213
Smoking is not inherantly masculine, in fact there are cigatettes brands directly marketed towards women.
That being said, Nobody should smoke and the gedolim should have assured a long time ago that nobody should smokeOctober 26, 2015 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1108214MammeleParticipant
ZD: the reason cigarette companies came out with brands targeting women was because most women weren’t smoking the “regular stuff”. Of course they would try to maximize their market share, and women are 50% of the potential market. Which proves exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convey.
So historically speaking you’re wrong but maybe nowadays the distinction has shifted, as it has elsewhere.October 26, 2015 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1108215
Nowadays the majority of Lung Cancer patients are women R’L (meaning that more women smoke than men)October 26, 2015 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1108216555Participant
Geordie: That is factually wrong! Many women started smoking during or due to WWII. Even after moving to Bnei Brak. Obviously, they did not do it in public but that does not mean they did not smoke.
ZD: The reason for the marketing was because women complained about discrimination.
Having lung cancer is NOT an indication that person has smoked But, may have merely been in the presents of smokers. It may (or may not) indicate that 2nd hand smoke is worse than 1st hand.October 26, 2015 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #1108217
Lung cancer is a rare disase among non-smoker. Its true not all smokers get lung cancer and not every lung cancer sufferer smoked. but it is likley a lung cancer patient smokedOctober 26, 2015 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #1108218the londonerMember
it just isn’t what would you think if you saw your mother smoking, would it look right?
there`s your answer!October 26, 2015 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1108219
I would think it wrong for a father to smoke too.October 27, 2015 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1108220
What would you think if you saw your mother…
Oh, I don’t know. But I’m sure there are numerous activities
considered socially acceptable among Orthodox Jews that would
nevertheless not look right if you saw your mother doing them.October 27, 2015 12:04 am at 12:04 am #1108221
Joseph, that quote from Rav Avigdor Miller is only
relevant if you can connect smoking to arrogance.October 27, 2015 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1108222Geordie613Participant
555, Thank you. Point noted.October 27, 2015 12:59 am at 12:59 am #1108223JosephParticipant
Comlink, smoking is a form of arrogance.October 27, 2015 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1108224
“Many women started smoking during or due to WWII.
Even after moving to Bnei Brak.”
Frum women?October 27, 2015 2:03 am at 2:03 am #1108225
Smoking is not a form of arrogance. It is an activity, and an activity is not a form of a personal attribute.October 27, 2015 2:27 am at 2:27 am #1108226
What else is a form of arrogance? I don’t want to let people
know that I’m arrogant, so I’d like to avoid such activities.October 27, 2015 3:15 am at 3:15 am #1108227the plumberMember
It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy. Men don’t have that problem.October 27, 2015 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1108228🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
some random things that popped into my head as things to avoid include: habitually pointing out/correcting other’s mistakes, clarifying people’s posts as if everyone might need the help tho you didn’t, calling people out by bringing old posts that contradict present ones…October 28, 2015 2:32 am at 2:32 am #1108229October 28, 2015 10:40 am at 10:40 am #1108230skripkaParticipant
if women smoke fish is it a problem?October 28, 2015 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1108231HealthParticipant
Plumber – “It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy”
Any woman who’s addicted to smoking, hardly gives it up for pregnancy. It’s obvious that you’re not in the medical field.October 28, 2015 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1108232
Those women who are smart enough not to smoke in the first place are the ones who would try their hardest to give it up for pregnancy if they did smoke.October 29, 2015 12:30 am at 12:30 am #1108233
(It’s more about me having a psychological allergy to anything
incorrect. As a child, I once called up the Lego company and
complained about the historic inaccuracy of their mummy figure…)
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