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Why is it acceptable for the guys and not for the girls?
Because hospital gowns aren’t tzniusdik.
Who said it was acceptable for guys?
Because it’s looks disgusting. A lady should not smoke, first of all it’s bad for anyone, men or women, and second of all it looks so street/gangster like for girls and it’s disgusting. Why would you want to ruin your family?
You need to be healthy enough to get pregnant, and I don’t think you should/can smoke when pregnant. That’s a problem if you plan on having like 10 kids..
Many reasons.
DY good point.
I dunno.
“Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B.
For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache.
Because most Jewish women going back hundreds of years were smarter than the men and didn’t get hooked on tobacco… And still are.
Because smoking was never a girl thing.
what mammele said
Female chauvinists
There is a fascinating Tshuvah in the Tshuvos V’Hanhagos (R’ Shternbuch) where he says that women smoking is an Issur of Begged Ish. I was curious why or how this could be so, so I did research. It was illegal for women to smoke in public in South Africa until the 1990s (maybe 1980s). So he never saw a woman smoking. Hence, he considered it Begged Ish.
To answer the OP, I reject his assumption that it’s acceptable for guys to smoke.
Sam, this may be one of those things which is inherently masculine.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/women-smoking-1#post-585443
Sam2, Rabbi Sternbuch only arrived in South Africa in 1983. But I take your point, as there couldn’t have been too many women smokers in Bne Brak, where he was until then.
Joe, women physically cannot grow mustaches. (Unless they’re very unlucky, but there are ways to deal with that.) A woman physically can smoke- though both men and women who smoke are idiots who apparently have lived under a rock since the 1950s, when the first definitive studies on the horrendous harms of smoking came out.
Smoking is bad, and starting to smoke is a bad decision, but making a bad decision does not make a person an idiot.
Smoking is not inherantly masculine, in fact there are cigatettes brands directly marketed towards women.
That being said, Nobody should smoke and the gedolim should have assured a long time ago that nobody should smoke
ZD: the reason cigarette companies came out with brands targeting women was because most women weren’t smoking the “regular stuff”. Of course they would try to maximize their market share, and women are 50% of the potential market. Which proves exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convey.
So historically speaking you’re wrong but maybe nowadays the distinction has shifted, as it has elsewhere.
Nowadays the majority of Lung Cancer patients are women R’L (meaning that more women smoke than men)
Geordie: That is factually wrong! Many women started smoking during or due to WWII. Even after moving to Bnei Brak. Obviously, they did not do it in public but that does not mean they did not smoke.
ZD: The reason for the marketing was because women complained about discrimination.
Having lung cancer is NOT an indication that person has smoked But, may have merely been in the presents of smokers. It may (or may not) indicate that 2nd hand smoke is worse than 1st hand.
Lung cancer is a rare disase among non-smoker. Its true not all smokers get lung cancer and not every lung cancer sufferer smoked. but it is likley a lung cancer patient smoked
it just isn’t what would you think if you saw your mother smoking, would it look right?
there`s your answer!
I would think it wrong for a father to smoke too.
What would you think if you saw your mother…
Oh, I don’t know. But I’m sure there are numerous activities
considered socially acceptable among Orthodox Jews that would
nevertheless not look right if you saw your mother doing them.
Joseph, that quote from Rav Avigdor Miller is only
relevant if you can connect smoking to arrogance.
555, Thank you. Point noted.
Comlink, smoking is a form of arrogance.
“Many women started smoking during or due to WWII.
Even after moving to Bnei Brak.”
Frum women?
Smoking is not a form of arrogance. It is an activity, and an activity is not a form of a personal attribute.
What else is a form of arrogance? I don’t want to let people
know that I’m arrogant, so I’d like to avoid such activities.
It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy. Men don’t have that problem.
some random things that popped into my head as things to avoid include: habitually pointing out/correcting other’s mistakes, clarifying people’s posts as if everyone might need the help tho you didn’t, calling people out by bringing old posts that contradict present ones…
Well, these old posts of yours are consistent with this one…
(he said, with the cigarette dangling from his mouth.)
(Do you still not understand the post after that one? I can help…)
if women smoke fish is it a problem?
Plumber – “It’s uncommon for a woman to smoke because they would have to give it up for a pregnancy”
Any woman who’s addicted to smoking, hardly gives it up for pregnancy. It’s obvious that you’re not in the medical field.
Those women who are smart enough not to smoke in the first place are the ones who would try their hardest to give it up for pregnancy if they did smoke.
(It’s more about me having a psychological allergy to anything
incorrect. As a child, I once called up the Lego company and
complained about the historic inaccuracy of their mummy figure…)
I’m a frum girl who vapes. I haven’t smoked, tho
Wow, you must be really bored in the dorms of Mir
Common,
Who says it’s the mir? Maybe Ner Yisrael? Or Skokie? Or kby?
Rabbi BenZion Halberstam, the second Rebbe of Bobov, smoked cigars.
When his doctor told him that smoking is unhealthy,
he quit smoking immediately and never smoked again.SOURCE: Gut Voch (paragraph titled: Will Power To Live,
found in chapter 7, on page 84) by Avrohom Barash,
year 1998 CE, Mesorah Publications, Brooklyn,
New York, ISBN 1-57819-273-9 (paperback)Grand Rabbi Ben Zion Halberstam HYD (born 1874 CE, died 1941 CE)
succeeded his father as the second Rebbe of Bobov at the age of 31.
He wrote a commentary on the Torah called Kedushas Tzion.
He was murdered by Nazis.Rabbi Simcha Bunim Alter (born 1898 CE, died 1992 CE:)
was the fifth Rebbe of Ger from 1977 CE to 1992 CE.He was known as the Lev Simcha after a book he authored.
Rabbi Simcha Bunim said:
“I was a smoker, and with me it was not for gashmius.
When I found out that it was harmful, I promptly discontinued it.”SOURCE: Jewish Action: Magazine of the Orthodox Union, Spring 1995 CE, page 7
Rav Schach (born 1898 CE, died 2001 CE) was a heavy smoker
in his younger years, before it was known how injurious smoking is to health.After an operation, he asked his doctor if he could start smoking again.
The doctor said: ‘It would be better for you not to begin again.’
Rav Schach reacted: ‘If smoking is dangerous for my health,
even slightly, I will stop completely.’He threw his cigarettes away and never smoked again.
SOURCE: condensed from HaRav Schach: Conversations (page 234) by Feldheim
Rabbi Avigdor Miller ZTL ZYA said this in tape # 846, Life and Time:
“A yeshivah bochur who smokes cigarettes,
he is learning and smoking cigarettes, it is a contradiction.”__________________________________________
Rabbi Avigdor Miller, said this at one of his Thursday night free public lectures:“Any yeshivah man who smokes cigarettes is a behemah [beast].”
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Rabbi Avigdor Miller, said this at one of his Thursday night free public lectures:“Any yeshivah man who smokes cigarettes is lower than a goy.”
Square Root went on a bad date, Square root reacted: he said if this is dating I am not going on a date again.
He threw away his shadchunim list and never went on a date again.SQUARE_ROOT: This is rich. You’re a Chosid of HaGaon HaRav Avigdor Miller ztvk”l or do you just use him like a sponge when you need him but dump him like a rag when you don’t.
Like how you ignore EVERYTHING HaGaon HaRav Avigdor Miller ztvk”l says about the State of Israel and the Zionists.
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