January 10, 2021 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1937291Slimshim1Participant
If for any reason Mike Pence would become president before January 20th, do you think he would pardon Trump?January 11, 2021 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1937336Amil ZolaParticipant
Thats a hard one to call. I have to give the Veep kudos for honoring his oath during the EC vote.
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”January 11, 2021 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1937335ujmParticipant
Any president can pardon himself. The power of pardon in the federal system is virtually absolute and the constitution makes no exception to the president’s ability to pardon himself.January 11, 2021 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1937343charliehallParticipant
“Any president can pardon himself. ”
The Department of Justice does not think so.
In any case, the President has no power to pardon state crimes and he is likely to face charges in both Georgia and New York. He will likely also face incitement charges in Weshington DC and statutory law gives the DC mayor, not the President, the power to issue pardons there.January 11, 2021 8:01 am at 8:01 am #1937375The Shady CharediParticipant
“Incitement charges” for what? What incitement. Please do quote.
The world has gone mad.January 11, 2021 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1937383Abba_SParticipant
I doubt Trump will resign. I also doubt Pence will have him removed. Any agreement for Trump to leave office will probably be based on Trump and his associates being pardoned. As far as impeachmrnt is concerned Trump has a little over a week left and it’s doubtful he can be impeached in such a short time.
As far as state prosecution it is doubtful once Trump leaves office they will go through with it. Many states need Federal funding and although the Democrats control both houses of Congress it’s 50 50 in the Senate and the Democrats have only 5 more seats in the House of Representatives, which will make it very easy for the Republicans to hold up funding for those states.January 11, 2021 8:07 am at 8:07 am #1937404ujmParticipant
Constitutional law takes precedence over statutory law. And DC is a federal territory. As such, any alleged crimes are pardonable by the President.
Most importantly, aside from this theoretical discussion, the President committed no crimes.January 11, 2021 8:37 am at 8:37 am #1937445emes nisht shekerParticipant
There is no power to pardon oneself. This goes back to the history of the power to pardon. This is another stupid legal discussion like the prior one where fools claimed Pence had power to pick the election winner.
Trump committed treason and should hang.January 11, 2021 8:54 am at 8:54 am #1937452akupermaParticipant
1. It would destroy Pence’s political career, since he is probably the front-runner to replace Biden in 2024.
2. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.
3. It wouldn’t protect Trump from factitious charges in states courts pertaining to any economic interests and given the apparently censorship of politically incorrect news (and the control the major internet companies exercise), Trump is at a major disadvantage
4. Politically the smartest thing Biden could do would be to order the Justice Department to refrain from any political prosecutions (allowed, since Common law prosecutors always have the discretion not to proceed).
5. Especially given the media monopoly on the left, as well as the “cancel culture”, is that the Trump base will increasingly regard the government as other than democratic and not governed by rule of law. A Biden pardon would totally change the climate politically, though that is unlikely.January 11, 2021 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1937473ubiquitinParticipant
““Incitement charges” for what? What incitement. Please do quote.”
quotes were provided on the other thread.
You ignored them, you are of course free to keep believing whatever you want
If you aren’t interested in quotes don’t pretend you areJanuary 11, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1937505Reb EliezerParticipant
You are shady when you overlook your own thread.January 11, 2021 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1937692CTLAWYERParticipant
You may doubt there is enough time to impeach Trump by the 20th.
There is plenty of time for the House to vote a bill of Impeachment. There is not enough time for the Senate to try him and convict him by the 20th.
BUT, Speaker Pelosi can send the bill of Impeachment to the Senate at her leisure, long after Trump is no longer President.
Impeached doesn’t mean convicted. The action of the House is the Impeachment. If McConnell’s Senate could ratify a SCOTUS nominee in a day, the House can impeach in a dayJanuary 11, 2021 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1937695Slimshim1Participant
I don’t believe Pence will ever make it through primaries. He has no charisma. Boring. There always will be better candidates. I’m sure he doesn’t think that. But my HO.
Why didn’t Nixon pardon himself?
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