September 20, 2010 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #592411
for a perfectly healthy person
to start an IV and hang a couple of litres of dextrose/saline solution on a slow drip, removing it after Yom Kippur.September 20, 2010 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #697571
I heard in a shiur this is discussed quite clearly in Igros Moshe, however, haven’t seen it inside. Apparently he paskins that it’s Gezeira Demalchisa if someone can’t fast, and therefore shouldn’t be done.September 20, 2010 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #697572bptParticipant
No differnt than asprin and caffine suppositories, would be my guess
(and can you please revert to “never caustic” for my member tag? No need to get the memebers I riled up last time, every time they see me post 🙁September 20, 2010 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #697573
Oh, I’m sorry, I rushed to a quick answer, didn’t notice this was referring to a perfectly healthy person.September 20, 2010 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #697574
what is a Gezeira Demalchisa?
a gezaira from the king? meaning HaKodesh Borchu?September 20, 2010 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #697575
Yes, a decree from Heaven.September 20, 2010 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #697576
i think your answer is perfectly applicable fabie
i was really referring to someone with difficulty fasting
by “perfectly healthy” i meant without any medical diseases that the IV would be treating,
just to make the fast easier
i had no idea people have actually asked shailos about this.September 21, 2010 5:00 am at 5:00 am #697577smartcookieMember
Was wondering the same. I hear many woman do it and it just doesn’t seem right to me.
You’re defeating the purpose of fasting, IMO.September 21, 2010 5:09 am at 5:09 am #697578pascha bchochmaMember
I’d be surprised if “many women do it”.
How many women have the knowhow to do something like that?September 21, 2010 5:16 am at 5:16 am #697579commonsenseParticipant
i know a young woman who is otherwise healthy but has a terrible time fasting! at about 11 am i saw her almost pass out in shul. she went home and did not return. if this was mutar, it would be wonderful thing for her. her mother is a nurse and could put in the line and monitor it herself.September 21, 2010 5:35 am at 5:35 am #697580pascha bchochmaMember
As a person who is a terrible faster, I know that people who don’t fast well should not be in shul. This year, I thought I could manage, it was a big mistake and I really got sick from being in shul while fasting. I would also love this IV solution except that I feel it isn’t the Inuy that a fast is supposed to be, if that makes sense.September 21, 2010 6:08 am at 6:08 am #697581HealthParticipant
commonsense -It’s only possibly mutter if you start the line before YK, if you want to start a line on YK or Shabbos -it has to be a sakanah nefoshos!September 21, 2010 10:38 am at 10:38 am #697582minyan galMember
The purpose of an IV is to provide hydration – doesn’t this defeat the purpose of fasting? Also, it would be difficult to attend shul while pushing around an IV pole.September 21, 2010 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #697583shlomozalmanMember
There are two aspects of fasting. One is the issur of eating or drinking. The second is the aseh of “Ve’inisem es nafshoseichem”. If one hydrates with an IV, he does not transgress the issur of drinking, but he does not get the mizvah of inuy.September 21, 2010 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #697584oomisParticipant
Maybe we should also try to figure out how to mainline a burger with fries, while we’re at it! I suspect this was a “klutz kasha.”September 21, 2010 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #697585SJSinNYCMember
Pregnant women who cannot fast are told to do this sometimes.
I think the difference is that you aren’t eating and drinking even though you are rehydrating. Its one step down.September 21, 2010 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #697586charliehallParticipant
If someone is in such poor health as to require an IV, they probably should not be fasting.September 21, 2010 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #697587hello99Participant
It’s certainly muttar if the IV is inserted before Yom Kippur, but the Poskim who discuss the issue disapprove because if one is healthy they should fast properly and if not the Torah permits them to drink and one should not try to be smarter then the Torah.September 22, 2010 3:50 am at 3:50 am #697588oomisParticipant
So how many of us are showing up to next Kol Nidrei, IV pole at hand?
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