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August 16, 2011 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #598664YehudahTzviParticipant
I have noticed that more and more, kids and young adults are putting logos and the such on their kippot. Why hasn’t anyone spoken out about this? If a kippah is to show that Hashem is “above” us, then why have the Red Sox logo or a “Yechee” (for Chabadniks) there? This is something Muslims wouldn’t ever do, why do we?
i am tempted to put some logos, bumper stickers and graphics on my Tallis and see what people say.
August 16, 2011 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #798902Mayan_DvashParticipantPut ???? ???? ???? ?????? in large letters across your tallis.
August 16, 2011 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #798903adorableParticipantthere are always people who want to stick out and do things to make you look at them twice.
August 16, 2011 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #798904zahavasdadParticipantActually putting a a logo might be illegal.
You cannot put say a Red Sox or Mets Logo on something without paying the owner for copyright
August 16, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #798905TheGoqParticipantWhat you think the Red Sox won those two titles without any help from above?
August 16, 2011 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #798906bptParticipantLogo on the talis? No problem.
The silky, satin ones that are worn like a scarf? Uh, Houston…
But on the topic of yarmulkas, I did see one that I liked. It was a big capital letter, but done in a Varsity font. Very cool.
Problem is, the kids will no doubt want an initial (like Y for NY Yankees) that does not match his own inital (like Z for Zelig)
August 16, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #798907bein_hasdorimParticipantAre you against putting aleph beis, on yarmulkas,
or the kids name?
August 16, 2011 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #798908anon1m0usParticipantIs your issue with the Yankees logo or also the Trains with Aleph bais?
BTW, you can also purchase a taalis koten with Elmo or Thomas the Train. Do you condone that?
Personally, if the child is 3 or 4 years old I see nothing wrong with it since the logos entice him to want to wear a yarmulka or tztits.
August 16, 2011 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #798909minyan galMemberI have seen a doctor with a kippah that has a Mem and a Daled on it. I think it is great.
August 16, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #798910YehudahTzviParticipantChinuch I can understand as it makes it appealing and fun for a koton if there is the Aleph-Beis or a train. Elmo and a child’s name I would have a problem with, personally (the name for safety issues).
It’s the teens and young adults. Just think it’s weird that it has gained acceptability.
August 16, 2011 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #798911adorableParticipantthey want attention. moshe rose also loves att….
August 16, 2011 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #798912deiyezoogerMemberAre all the real ishues taken care of so that we have to invent new ones?
Aren’t sifrei torah addorend with pictures of flowers, lions, crowns etc.?
August 16, 2011 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #798913uneeqParticipantFor personal use, you can duplicate anything you want. If you’d like to, you can even make your own iPhone. However, for commercial use, you will be infringing on the copyright holders’ “intellectual property” if you sell or benefit from any of your duplications.
August 16, 2011 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #798914WolfishMusingsParticipantPersonally, I think that a yarmulke should not have anything on it, including one’s name (which is common among children). I think that the yarmulke is not necessarily the place to have smiley faces, logos, etc.
But this is solely my opinion and therefore I do not say anything to anyone who actually has anything on their yarmulkes. In other words, I won’t have it on my yarmulke and you can do what you like with yours — I’m not going to tell you that you’re wrong if you do have something on your yarmulke.
The Wolf
August 16, 2011 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #798915minyan galMemberThere are far more important issues these days than what is on someone’s kippah. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful thing IF this were the most pressing issue in contemporary Jewish life? Perhaps when Moshiach comes, it will be.
August 16, 2011 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #798916abcd2ParticipantElmo and barney are cartoon characters that you are putting on Devarim Shel Kedusha.(btw They also have christmas episodes and on sesame street they are very open to alternative lifestyles) This is not Chinuch, it is warped. If you feel that you need to entice a child by putting graphics on Tzitzis, at least let it be depicting a Mitzva. In terms of logos on Yarmulkes regardless of age, A yarmulke is a Yerie Malka. TV shows are highly improper, and sports teams for the most part don’t have the greatest role models. A Yarmullka signifies Hashem is above you and to fear him I do not understand where sports team logos cartoon characters etc.. fit in. It is a Bizayon that any secular topic should be on a Yarmulke
If you want to put a Jewish name (whether in english or hebrew) that is Kadosh, quoting pasukim or scenes depicting mitzvas are Kadosh. Flowers and nice sequined designs for kids are beautification.
Just because an item was designed by a Jew and is in a Jewish owned store does not mean it is correct.
August 16, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #798917deiyezoogerMember“There are far more important issues these days than what is on someone’s kippah. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful thing IF this were the most pressing issue in contemporary Jewish life? Perhaps when Moshiach comes, it will be.”
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August 16, 2011 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #798918YW Moderator-80Memberim with you abc
August 16, 2011 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #798919deiyezoogerMemberNo cutting into line 80!
August 16, 2011 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #798920YW Moderator-80Membersorry
August 16, 2011 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #798921deiyezoogerMemberJust joking, after all being a mod intitles you to some privilges.
August 17, 2011 12:08 am at 12:08 am #798922YehudahTzviParticipantabcd2: Thank you! You have put it perfectly.
I recently switched shuls and now attend a march larger one that has a mix of all types. Most of the teens there seem to be “outcooling” each other with their logo kippos. Am I glad they are wearing kippos? Of course. it just seems like treating something that symbolizes the Malchus of Hashem so flippantly isn’t a good thing.
August 17, 2011 12:09 am at 12:09 am #798923YehudahTzviParticipant“much larger”
August 17, 2011 12:30 am at 12:30 am #798924ItcheSrulikMemberI don’t think there’s anything wrong with decorating a kippa, but like everything else, there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to do it. A small child would have something like the aleph-beis or l’havdil a cute cartoon. An adult may have something more tasteful like a design knitted in around the edges or nothing at all — decorations are a personal choice, though they are decorating a symbol of yiras shamayim and an intelligent person will think about that when choosing styles.
August 17, 2011 5:18 am at 5:18 am #798925mw13Participantminyan gal:
“There are far more important issues these days than what is on someone’s kippah.”
Perhaps, but since when do we discuss only the most important issues? Any and every issue is worth discussing.
August 17, 2011 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #798926adorableParticipantanyone thats not going to wear one is not suddenly putting it on so he can have an elmo on his head! he wants att and they get it that way. but a yarmulka is not meant as a piece of “jewelry”
August 17, 2011 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #798927anon1m0usParticipantA Yarmulka is a minhag, so I do not think it is a davar shel bkdusha. To prove, we kiss tzitis. We kiss Tefelin. We kiss a siddur. Do we kiss a yarmulka when it falls on the floor? Can we remove tzitis when wearing a four corner beged when going to work? We can remove a yarmulka.
So there is no issue putting ANYTHING on a yarmulka. If you want to argue ‘Se Pasht Nish’…that is a totally different argument.
August 17, 2011 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #798928mw13Participantanon1m0us, I agree with you that a Yarmulke is not a devar shebikedusha, and there is no Halachic issue here.
“If you want to argue ‘Se Pasht Nish'”
I think that’s exactly the argument that’s being advanced here.
August 17, 2011 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #798929bombmaniacParticipantthe point of a yarmulka is to increase your yiras shamayim…to be aware that there is a higher power “above” you…to put something like a sports logo or a TV show character on that is so diametrically opposed to the purpose of the yarmulka…youre advertising that your yiras shamayim is lacking on the very article which is supposed to broadcast and enhance your yiras shamayim…
August 17, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #798931old manParticipantBorsalino
August 17, 2011 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #798933abcd2ParticipantAs a side note One actually does not have to kiss a Siddur when dropping it is also minhag.
While you are correct that they are not on the same level of devarim shel kedusha as Tefillin.RE:, Halachos of putting tzitzis out for disposal the ideal way to dispose of them is in shaimos, also tztzis are not allowed to be defaced to get rid of them.Does this not signify that they are to be treated with respect.
Would you put a secular item on on the covering of a Bima in a Shule? Imagine a big Yankee logo on or a barney just to intrigue kids.
How can a person justify putting sports teams and cartoon characters (who as I mentioned above are also portrayed in christmas shows) on something used for a Tzivui. when we say the Bracha Asher Kidashanu that which is made holy should mean something when putting on the Tzitzis.
RE Yarmulka as mentioned above it signifies fear of G-d and keeping in mind that which is above you, elevating yourself wherever you go. More importantly it identifies you as a Jew, by secularizing it you are belittling it and taking away its purpose.
And while there might not be a chiyuv you are defintly now causing a Bizayon to something used in a Mitzva as it reminds a person about Anochi Hashem Elokecha and uvichukosiechem Lo sailaichu
How many Jews risked severe beatings just so they could wear one. A choshuve Rov told me that he will never forget the beating my grandfather got from a Nazi for wearing one.
putting cartoon characters and sport teams is not exactly a tiferes.
I would also note While many poskim do not agree, there are poskim that do in fact say wearing a yalmuka is Halacha. (even though there are certain Heterim)The ones that do not hold it is Halacha say that it is midas chasidus.
This is more then se past nisht.You can say se past nisht about wearing what might be inappropriate clothing but belittling what is an ID tag of a Jew and that which is meant to signify what is above you and keep you from Aveioros is a bizayon of the Middas Chassidus or Halacha.
As I said above Just because an item was designed by a Jew and is in a Jewish owned store does not mean it is correct.
August 17, 2011 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #798935bombmaniacParticipant@cherrybim you missed the point.
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