Yated, Hamodia, Jewish Press? What Is Your Choice?

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  • #592802
    justsmile613
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    Yated, Hamodia, Jewish Press? What is your choice?……….

    #707544

    yated, mishpacha, binah, sometimes hamodia

    #707545
    myfriend
    Member

    Reb Yaakov said the Jewish Press should not be taken out of a bathroom.

    #707546
    LemonySnicket
    Participant

    I love the Hamodia! They have the best news stories from AP while leaving out all the shmutz. Their Israel section is excellent as well as the magazine. My Shabbos is not complete without the Hamodia in front of me and a big bowl of extra salty garinim (sunflower seeds).

    #707547
    WIY
    Member

    I get my news online

    #707548
    bombmaniac
    Participant

    hamodia, mispacha (which has really gotten good recently), but most importantly…ZMAN MAGAZINE!!!! they are by far the most well written, well researched, highest quality jewish publication on the market today! it is the only magazine i read cover to cover!

    #707549
    TzefatView
    Member

    Isn’t it a law that ‘none of the above’ is supposed to be an option?

    #707550
    charliehall
    Participant

    YWN?

    #707551
    dunno
    Member

    We subscribe to the Hamodia but I generally end up buying the Yated as well. I like the Mishpacha but never really end up getting it.

    #707552
    real-brisker
    Member

    wiy – what do you read on shabbos? I personaly like the yated. The hamodia is to busy for me, between all the sections their always flying around…

    #707553
    theprof1
    Participant

    Hamodia is the only Jewsh-English newspaper that prints all the current news that can be read by a Torah home, with dozens of very apropos topics geared to a Torah home. Hamodia is generally above sectarian bisa, printing objective stories with equal emphasis on all segments of the Yiddishe English-speaking communities. The best proof is the marketplace. Hamodia has the most sections and pages, with the most advertising. Reason – because it is the most popular. Reason – because Hamodia is the best. The other two, although quite decent papers, are basically single issue papers with a limited readership, not the broadly accepted readership of the Hamodia.

    #707554
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Yated – it has the most pics 🙂

    #707555
    theprof1
    Participant

    Shabbos reading should be stuff like Klei Yokor, Ramban, Lev Eliyahu, Medrash, Malbim on the Haftorah. Maybe say a sefer Tehilim.

    #707556
    jakyweb
    Member

    Although the Jewish Press is far from perfect it is my only choice as they do not erase the image of frum ladies from Jewish history like the other newspapers mentioned do. I cannot in all conscience present such newspapers to my innocent granddaughters as if to say, no matter how much chesed you do your face is not allowed to be seen in these newspapers.

    #707557
    not I
    Member

    Hamodia is by far the BEST! yated is sdo difficult to read with the flippping you have to do inorder to read teh end of an article.. almost always 70+ pages forward.

    Mishpacha has weird articles in my opinion!

    Hamodia is the way to go. As most things are the older, the better..

    #707558
    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    The Jewish Press was the first frum English paper, I believe, and deserves the credit for getting many interested in Yiddishkeit. They had big gedolim writing halacha columns (like Rav Avraham Steinberg, I believe), and had tales of gedolim which inspire. They had humor sections and were adamantly pro-Israel. They wrote beautiful hespedim on Gedolim a nd gave them the utmost kovod. Arnold Fine’s stories were very cute and entertaining. They had info for shidduchim long before others picked up on the topic. There is nothing wrong in there, and it is pure motzi shem ra when all the frummmies put it down, especially because there is no valid reason for it. There is nothing anti-Torah in there, and the opposite, there are many inspiring parts. I remember My Soul Thirsts by ZA Hilsenrad ZTL which inspired me to spend more years in yeshiva rather than going to college until later.

    The Modia, Yated and so on, are anti-Zionist, and often make anti-Zionist statements without giving any reason to explain what is wrong with it. I remember one interview where the interviewee concludes, that now all agree Zionism is no good. What??? Please explain in what way. It is not good we have a Jewish state?

    I don’t want to get into an argument about Zionism here, but the point is that it was a foolish statement from an intellectual point of view, since it had no backing and was from out of the blue. At least present your thinking and reasons for your statement.

    The second thing, as was mentioned earlier is the fact that no pictures of women are allowed. Why are properly dressed women a problem to see, and can’t they be role models for our daughters. There is no such mesorah. I have looked at many plates of old Haggadas from all periods and locations of klal yisroel’s history and invariably they all have beautiful pictures of Jewish families, men, women, boys and girls all at the seder together. There are numerous other works which show women. This is before the Reform and Haskala. It is from the time of the Rishonim and Acharonim. Look at the Encyclopeida Judaica and you will find tons of full color plates of these old art works. Artscroll had no problem showing the wives of gedolim and Bais Yaakov girls. What kind of business is it that now we have become frummer than all the previous doros, even the Rishonim? I have a book on Shabbos which shows only men at the Shabbos table and getting ready for Shabbos and so on, when in reality, it is the women who do most of these home preparations. It really makes us look like Neanderthals. How can one take them seriously?

    #707559
    Helpful
    Member

    I, for one, prefer the opinion of frummies like Reb Yaakov.

    #707560
    bpt
    Participant

    Hamodia, but boy do I miss the comics from my Jpress days!

    #707561
    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    I doubt Reb Yaakov ever said that. Don’t believe everything you hear. If anybody has a written or other clear case about something particular that was problematic in the JP whcih Reb Yaakov objected to, I am willing to listen. Some supposed off-the-cuff remark which has no stated reason behind it, is not worth much, and probably never happened. What is the matter, they report on the basketball scores of Jewish high school leagues? They advertise tznius clothing and sheitels for frum women? At least put up a reason.

    #707562
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Helpful

    Please dont defame the name Of R’ Yaakov ztzl.

    Besides, his comment was taken out of context.

    #707563
    Helpful
    Member

    Sac – No it was not. The truth is the truth. What “context” do you imagine it was made in?

    #707564
    theprof1
    Participant

    I am a talmid of Reb Yakov. Although not that close to have heard every comment Reb Yakov ever made, I still would have heard about that comment. I never heard about it. What I did hear was that Reb Yakov said NOT to take the JP into the bathroom because it had divrei Torah in it.

    #707565
    Sacrilege
    Member

    I heard someone asked him if the JP can be brought in to the bathroom (because of the Divrei Torah) and in jest, he said a better question would be if it can be taken out.

    When you relay a story, its always better to say the WHOLE thing. Not just quotes.

    #707566
    not I
    Member

    PYid.

    Just for your info Hamodia is officially affiliated with the Aguda who although not zionistic are n’t anti the way you make it sound.

    I did hear that quote from Reb Yakov. it came as a reaction to a certian piece they ran at soem point actually!

    #707567
    MHY
    Participant

    myfriend:

    “Reb Yaakov said the Jewish Press should not be taken out of a bathroom.”

    People here are mixing things up.

    What I heard, years ago, was that a certain Brooklyn Rabbi, who was known for sharp language and strong opinions, was asked if one may take the JP into the bathroom. He responded by asking if one may take it out.

    Now, first of all, it was not Rav Yankev Kaminetsky! He didn’t speak like that.

    Second of all, the answer was given in jest (that is not to say that he wasn’t trying to make a point, but still, it was not meant literally as a psak, he just asked to get people thinking).

    So the version posted above is way off!

    #707568
    real-brisker
    Member

    theprof1 – Ramban, Chumush vichulu is not just for shabbos its for all week long! I happen to like the yated because I can be involved in a coffe room on shabbos as well (the readers write column)

    #707569
    not I
    Member

    There are Halachic discussoins about reading letters to the coffe room on Shabbos.. Just by the way!

    #707570
    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I don’t buy publications that remove pictures of women or replace women with men.

    The only Jewish paper we get is “The Jewish Voice and Opinion.”

    #707571
    real-brisker
    Member

    not1 – Whats the shailo exactly?

    #707572
    oomis
    Participant

    I cannot imagine R’ Yaakov saying something derogatory about the first Jewish/ENGLISH paper for the frum masses. I fondly remember reading it since my early childhood, as soon as I learned to read.

    I avidly followed the adventures of Sheindel and Breindel, loved the Stories From the Midrash and Tales of the Gaonim (or whatever theyare called), and I loved reading the advice columns, and I Remember When stories. Rabbi Klass OH”S’ halacha column always had something interesting to say, and reading this paper was my special Shabbos treat. Today, I especially am impressed with all the “help” columns that are found there, even when I disagree with the advice.

    #707573

    yated all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #707574
    memo
    Member

    yated!!!!!!-reliable and well written, we get the Binah, Mishpacha and Hamodia sometimes we do get the Jewish press (great classifieds

    –if your looking for jobs, house, apartments..)

    #707577
    WIY
    Member

    real-brisker

    Shabbos I either learn Torah, or read Hashkafa books that are in English. I try to be makpid about what I read on Shabbos.

    #707578
    real-brisker
    Member

    wiy – That should not just be for shabbos

    #707579
    theprof1
    Participant

    rabbiofberlin. I remember Rav Uri ztzl very well. I saw him just about every day in the beis medrash of Torah Vodas on S. 3rd St. Yes he was very close with Rav Yakov ztzl and as I said earlier, Rav yakov never said that. Most commenters here spout nonsense with hardly any knowledge of the subjects and rarely any type of basic research into what they’re saying.

    #707580
    WIY
    Member

    real-brisker

    I mean that on Shabbos I try to avoid reading things that aren’t Torah related. I don’t need to read the paper because I get all the news online during the week.

    #707581
    myfriend
    Member

    See previous YWN coverage of the Jewish Press:

    YWN: J.P. Attacks BMG

    YWN: Jewish Press

    NOTE: Hold your “Esc” (Escape) button for a 10 seconds after you open above pages. Otherwise it’ll forward you to the new YWN site. If it does, hit your back button and then hold the Esc button again for 10 seconds to stay on the page.

    #707582
    real-brisker
    Member

    Ich hier, what about a coffe room on shabbos?

    #707583
    smartcookie
    Member

    Hamodia for years!! We love it!

    #707584
    mw13
    Participant

    Personally, I get the WSJ, the Hamodia, the Mishpacha, and occasionally the Yated (for all the juicy columns).

    jakyweb:

    “I cannot in all conscience present such newspapers to my innocent granddaughters as if to say, no matter how much chesed you do your face is not allowed to be seen in these newspapers.”

    I don’t think that’s quite the statement that not having pictures of women sends (not that I’m for it, mind you), but I guess to each their own.

    PY:

    “The Modia, Yated and so on, are anti-Zionist, and often make anti-Zionist statements without giving any reason to explain what is wrong with it.”

    I do not believe that the Hamodia does this at all. They specifically pride themselves on their professionalism and impartiality. Please do not lump all chaerdi publications together.

    “There is nothing anti-Torah in there, and the opposite, there are many inspiring parts.”

    Anti-Torah? Maybe not. Anti-Chaerdi? You better believe it.

    (If you’re wondering why I said “maybe not” instead of “no, it’s because of an article I once saw in the JP in which Avi Weiss and company were decrying the way people disrespect gays… after that, I put down the JP and haven’t picked one up since. Therefore, I couldn’t in good conscience write that no, there’s nothing anti-Torah there.)

    And since when does having “inspiring parts” mean that there’s nothing bad as well?

    #707585
    politigal
    Member

    I am disheartened with both and have to questions about their interests. There is a discrepancy between the print media and the people.

    Jewish press endorsed Democratic Congressional candidate, Weiner, in the 9th CD, and places 1/2 page articles, making him a hero, while largely ignoring Republican candidate, Bob Turner.

    HaModia also printed big article about Anthony Wiener with a photo and how he is intervening on behalf of Rubashkin, so happens a week before the election. I wonder if he will care about Rubashkin after Nov. 2.

    Both papers promoted Weiner through large articles and yet when I hear the voice of the people on the street, they are unhappy with Weiner, his relationship to Obama, Pelosi and feel he does not support their values. I could say a lot more, do your own research. See the article I left in the Politcal Section about earmarks and how the money is really allocated.

    #707586
    cantoresq
    Member

    The Jewish Week. It’s the only local Jewish newspaper written in English.

    #707587

    “Hamodia, but boy do I miss the comics from my Jpress days!”

    BPT, I’ll fill you in.

    The Golem:

    Frame 1: Boom!

    Frame 2: Crash!

    Frame 3: Bam!

    Frame 4: Whack!

    Frame 5: Bang!

    Frame 6: To be continued…..

    (I haven’t seen a JP in 20 years or so, but I’m sure some things never change.)

    #707588
    oomis
    Participant

    Avi Weiss and company were decrying the way people disrespect gays… “

    MW13, I did not read the article in question (how on earth did I miss that?), but I will say one thing – we all need to learn to act with respect towards all people who are decent, good people, regardless of whether or not their personal lifestyle is repugnant to us as Orthodox Jews who live by the Torah. Please note I said “respect.” I did not say we should endorse, enable, support, agree with, or even like their way of life.

    Respect must be shown to all people. We live in a Democracy, and it is not governed by the laws of the Torah. We are also here at the sufferance of this country (with the complete help of Hashem), and it is not for us to disrespect its citizenry with whom we do not agree. Also please note, I said, “decent, good” people. There are gays, and there are disgusting gays, just as there are heteros and unabashedly immoral heteros who enjoy flaunting their disgusting actions in the street.

    I don’t think Avi Weiss (who has certainly misspoken and misstepped a bit this year in some respects) was so very out of line in what you wrote about him, as to warrant no longer reading the Jewish Press. But, hey, I respect your choice.

    #707589
    HaKatan
    Participant

    I don’t understand why people are so worked up about not showing pictures of women (properly dressed). While that idea did not occur to me, personally, I do think it is an excellent policy.

    There is no need for your wife or daughter to be on display to the entire world. Kol kevuda bas melech penima; it is a compliment to the ladies that the newspaper values their dignity and doesn’t display their picture to the whole world, not CH”V an insult. If you don’t like that, make your own photo albums with your wife and daughter(s) and enjoy them. They’re yours to show to whomever you want.

    But you can’t deny that it is more kadosh vitahor to not show a bas melech in any form in a public forum such as a newspaper. And there is no journalistic value in showing the picture of a woman, either (not that this would override the previous point, but it so happens that this is the case). So why show pictures of women?

    The answer is that some are influenced by the degenerate society in which we live and have lost the sensitivity of what a woman is as a bas melech whose kavod is penimah. We just read last week about Sarah Imeinu, “Hinei BaOhel” – that was the ideal. Yes, women need to drive cars, carpools, and also participate elsewhere in modern society by working, running errands, etc (unlike, lihavdil, what our “cousins” do to their women). But there is no need for pictures of women to be shown in a newspaper.

    #707590
    jakyweb
    Member

    To Hakatan,

    Maybe you don’t understand why women like me feel disrespected when we are reading articles about phenomenal frum women doing tremendous chesed and we are looking at a picture of a flower. Our daughters would benefits greatly by proudly seeing role models of how a bas melech presents herself. This might go a long way in helping with lack of tzniyus issues, shame of body issues that lead to eating disorders, etc. We live in a very visual society, we see pictures of frum men constantly – this is a great chizuk for our boys. Girls need chizuk as well.

    #707591
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    We just read last week about Sarah Imeinu, “Hinei BaOhel” – that was the ideal.

    And there are posters here (or, rather one poster) who will tell you that the ideal is that a husband not even look at his wife at all — and he based that on a passuk too.

    The Wolf

    #707592
    oomis
    Participant

    “it is a compliment to the ladies that the newspaper values their dignity”

    I respectfully do not agree that you are correct. They are not concerned about women’s dignity. There is nothing undignified about having a mice picture in the paper. If there was, then the men should be similarly concerned about their own dignity.

    You and I both know that the reason is, they do not believe it to be tzniusdig to show a picture of a woman in a paper read by men, even if the picture is inherently tzanuah. It is not for me to argue the merits of that idea, and I am sure most people who have read my comments could discern what my opinion might be. Butin any case, please do not try to couch it in terms of it being for the BENEFIT of women’s dignity, to basically refuse to acknowledge their presence as half the world’s population.

    Hinei Ba’ohel, does not necessarily mean she never walked outside her tent to be seen by anyone. But if it does, that was a generation when women in general were probably not seen much if at all, because they were viewed by so many, as chattel. It certainly was not because of the Torah, which a) had not yet been given and b) does not direct us to keep women ensconced solely at home. (And if you want to argue that it does, then I would respectfully answer then that no kollel wife should be out earning a parnassah – she should stay home in her ohel.)

    #707593
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    oomis – Avrohom kept the Torah, even though it was before Matan Torah. Yes, her being hidden has everything to do with a ladies dignity.

    #707594
    cantoresq
    Member

    Ben Torah, what then is your justification for women working outside the home; i.e. the entire structure of the kolel system?

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