Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts!

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  • #1404793

    The Ranbi
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    Yeshiva Bachurs Should Be Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts just like in the major yeshivas in Europe (Slabodka)
    And no Yeshiva bachur should ever be judged because of his shirt color..

    #1404796

    Joseph
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    Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim allows it.

    #1404798

    iacisrmma
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    The Ranbi: At least in one yeshiva, the high school bochurim approached the Menahel and asked if they can go to a white shirt only policy. Once it was adopted they didn’t revert back.

    My children are allowed to wear colored shirts when they are not in yeshiva. By the way, white is a color.

    #1404805

    Gadolhadorah
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    What possible reason could there be for not allowing a clean and sharply ironed beige or light blue shirt versus white..? This mindless focus on trivia rather than midos and lamdus seems to be counterproductive

    #1404802

    Meno
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    Actually white is made up of all the colors so white shirts should be worse than all colored shirts put together.

    #1404898

    iacisrmma
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    I guess you never saw the passuk in Koheles 9:8: 讘旨职讻指诇志注值謺转 讬执纸讛职讬芝讜旨 讘职讙指讚侄謻讬讱指 诇职讘指谞执謶讬诐

    #1404908

    apushatayid
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    I wonder how many Yeshivos actually have a “white shirt only” policy or if it is simply “just what everyone does”.

    #1404927

    Joseph
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    In much of the Torah world a white shirt is as much the uniform of a Ben Torah and servant/soldier of Hashem as a black hat and jacket is. Just as every branch of the military has a uniform, every branch of Hashem’s army does. In some branches that requires a white shirt.

    #1404956

    Moshe1994
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    Gasp!… Chas V’Sholom.

    #1404961

    Gadolhadorah
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    The IDF has probably the lowest sartorial-focus among advanced nations in the world, yet no one would questions its efficacy as a fighting machine. Most IDF units have a hard time marching in step and many young chayalim look like they just fell out of bed and wearing uniforms two sizes too small or large with many ad-hoc fashion accessories. Likewise hashem’s army doesn’t need to be dressed like a bunch of penguins if they are able to shteig more effectively wearing a different colored shirt.

    #1404992

    iacisrmma
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    joseph: Correct, except for their Brooklyn Branch Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel which requires it starting in 8th grade.

    #1405001

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    .”Likewise hashem鈥檚 army doesn鈥檛 need to be dressed like a bunch of penguins if they are able to shteig more effectively wearing a different colored shirt.”

    100% true. You’re welcome to shteig wearing whatever color shirt you want to and no one will stop you. You’re also welcome to learn in whatever Yeshiva you want to. You’re also welcome to open your own institution with whatever rules you want. What you are not allowed to do is insist on being accepted in someone else’s institution while deliberately refusing to follow its rules, whatever they may be.

    Just like you can’t send a girl to a school without wearing the school’s uniform, you can’t send a boy to a school without wearing the school’s uniform.

    #1405005

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Actually white is made up of all the colors so white shirts should be worse than all colored shirts put together.”

    Meno, maybe that’s the whole point – they want them to wear colors – that’s why they want them to wear white! If they would wear blue shirts, they wouldn’t be wearing “colors”, they’d be wearing “a color”, and the other colors might feel left out.

    #1405016

    鈽 DaasYochid 鈽
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    What possible reason could there be for not allowing a clean and sharply ironed beige or light blue shirt versus white..?

    Hashem鈥檚 army doesn鈥檛 need to be dressed like a bunch of penguins if they are able to shteig more effectively wearing a different colored shirt.

    So it’s possible that bochurim could shteig better if wearing colored shirts, but not possible that they’ll shteig better if wearing white shirts?

    #1405021

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Hashem鈥檚 army doesn鈥檛 need to be dressed like a bunch of penguins if they are able to shteig more effectively wearing a different colored shirt.”

    “So it鈥檚 possible that bochurim could shteig better if wearing colored shirts, but not possible that they鈥檒l shteig better if wearing white shirts?”

    +1. I had missed the word “more” in there.

    #1405022

    Joseph
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    iac, was that the school where you said the bochurim approached the Menahel? Perhaps the Brooklyn branch seeks a higher standard, being the frum capital of America.

    #1405035

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Joseph, soldiers wear uniforms because they are disposable.

    #1405072

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    Joseph: two different schools. The first school I mentioned where the bochurim approached the menahel was in the 1990’s.

    As to YTI, you are correct.

    #1405103

    apushatayid
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    “you can鈥檛 send a boy to a school without wearing the school鈥檚 uniform.”

    So, how many yeshivos have a white shirt only policy?

    #1405123

    Lightbrite
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    Wear a white shirt and then roll in the grass… you’ll be wearing white shirt that’s colored green

    Win – Win

    #1405193

    Joseph
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    “So, how many yeshivos have a white shirt only policy?”

    From mesivta and up, the vast majority (of Chareidi) yeshivos do. How many don’t?

    #1405192

    blubluh
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    Food and other stains are typically easier to remove from white shirts than shirts of other colors where more care is needed in selecting the appropriate cleaning agent (ie, avoiding chlorine bleach).

    #1405190

    The Ranbi
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    Response To “What possible reason could there be for not allowing a clean and sharply ironed beige or light blue shirt versus white..? This mindless focus on trivia rather than midos and lamdus seems to be counterproductive”

    Reb Yid you are absolutely right, people today think that the color of the shirt defines you which is completely wrong, it is better to look sharp with a nice shirt and look like a Mench rather than a white shirt with coffee and sweat stains. A white shirt does not mean your a tzadik it rather it is whats inside that defines you! No YID SHOULD EVER BE JUDGED BY THE OUTSIDE!
    The Ranbi, Shlita

    #1405210

    Meno
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    Does anyone here know of any yeshiva where there is a requirement for bochurim to wear white shirts and the bochurim have a significant issue with it?

    I understand that people don’t see a reason/logic, but if the bochurim don’t have a problem with it, why would anyone else have a problem with it? Why make a big deal out of nothing?

    #1405215

    frumnotyeshivish
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    Of course yeshiva boys are allowed to wear colored shirts. That’s not a question.
    Should white shirts be encouraged as a matter of policy?
    I don’t think so. Obviously, others do. Mantras about uniforms seem silly to me, when the question is how to set a policy that enables both the individual and the group to be most likely to grow, with the priority, as always in chinuch, on the individual.
    “Chanoch Lanearim Al Pi Darkeihem,” right?

    #1405230

    Joseph
    Participant

    Private prep schools require uniforms too. Does anyone know why?

    #1405239

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Does anyone here know of any yeshiva where there is a requirement for bochurim to wear white shirts”

    Anyone?

    #1405248

    鈽 DaasYochid 鈽
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    #1405265

    funnybone
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    Can someone be a chassid without levush? Dati leumi w/o kippah serugah? Levush is a statement of where you feel you belong. Advertised to all, proud to be a yeshiva bochur!

    #1405270

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Uniforms are to make the wearer feel that he is just an interchangeable cog in a big machine.

    #1407716

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    鈥測ou can鈥檛 send a boy to a school without wearing the school鈥檚 uniform.鈥

    “So, how many yeshivos have a white shirt only policy?”

    I have no idea. I was merely responding to those who have an issue with it if it exists. I have no idea if it actually exists or not. For all I know, there is no such Yeshiva in the world. My point was that if there is a Yeshiva that has such a rule, it is their right to make such a rule, and if it’s so important to someone to wear blue shirts, he shouldn’t go there.

    #1407720

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Response To 鈥淲hat possible reason could there be for not allowing a clean and sharply ironed beige or light blue shirt versus white..? This mindless focus on trivia rather than midos and lamdus seems to be counterproductive鈥

    Reb Yid you are absolutely right, people today think that the color of the shirt defines you which is completely wrong, it is better to look sharp with a nice shirt and look like a Mench rather than a white shirt with coffee and sweat stains. A white shirt does not mean your a tzadik it rather it is whats inside that defines you! No YID SHOULD EVER BE JUDGED BY THE OUTSIDE!
    The Ranbi, Shlita”

    I agree that people shouldn’t care so much about the color of their shirts and shouldn’t judge others by the color of their shirts. When someone gets so upset about the fact that there are Yeshivas that have rules about white shirts, it seems to me that they are showing too much of a concern with trivialities, and that they are judging Yeshivas based on trivialities.

    If wearing a blue shirt is so important to you, then you are free to choose a Yeshiva based on the fact that they allow blue shirts. But that does show that trivial matters such as shirt color are essential to you.

    I won’t judge you for it though :).

    #1407733

    Solaro
    Participant

    almost all mainstream yeshivos have an unspoken rule to wear white shirts. sometimes that rule becomes spoken when it is violated.

    #1408147

    Shopping613 馃尃
    Participant

    Do you know a single boy who feels like he learns better wearing a certain colors?
    Were talking about boys…right?

    Not five year old girls picking out their clothing for gan?

    #1408409

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Ranbi: “it is better to look sharp with a nice shirt and look like a Mench rather than a white shirt with coffee and sweat stains.”

    I find this line funny. Of course, those who wear a white shirt stained with coffee and sweat stains, were they to start wearing blue shirts, would be walking around in a blue shirt stained with coffee and sweat stains. It’s not one or the other.

    #1408514

    iacisrmma
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    shopping613: A person does not learn better with a white shirt or colored shirt. However, if everyone else conforms to the written policy (or unwritten policy), the non-conformist generally will feel uncomfortable and it may effect (affect?) his learning. One of my son’s wears white shirts exclusively (even bein hazmanim); others will wear white in yeshiva and colored shirts at other times.

    It would not bother me if someone showed up to date any of my daughters in a colored shirt (well maybe it would if it’s pink).

    #1408524

    Joseph
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    iac: If the non-conformist will feel uncomfortable he should conform and wear white like the other Bnei Torah in his Yeshiva. It isn’t harder to wear a white shirt than to wear a green shirt.

    #1408548

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “It would not bother me if someone showed up to date any of my daughters in a colored shirt (well maybe it would if it鈥檚 pink).”

    I think I would feel the same way about myself.

    #1408547

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Iac: I thought that Shopping’s question was in response to GH’s saying that some boys learn better wearing colored shirts. Am I right, Shopping?

    Joseph – I think that was Iac’s point.

    #1408545

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    WTP – lol. True.

    #1408824

    Shopping613 馃尃
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    Chazal tell us to be a part of society. I have to conform in many areas of society, with social cues, nuaces. I have to wear certain things, and as a woman I need to do certain things too, or else I’m considered, weird, different, etc.

    It’s the price you pay for being a part of a society and all the good that comes with it. Want to opt out? Your choice.

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