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February 5, 2012 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #601922
how can we view yesurim in a good way? as a way which will help us to get closer to hashem?
anyonee???February 5, 2012 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #849761ZeesKiteParticipant
By thinking. Really. Along the lines you so well put down.February 5, 2012 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #849762147Participant
To Satmarlover:- By focusing on our blessings such as Medinas Yisroel, and the miracles leading up to Yom Yerusholayim.February 5, 2012 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #849763
anyone else have other good tips?
thx 147 and ZeesKite!!!February 5, 2012 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #849764longarekelMember
If Hashem brings yissurim he is showing that he cares about you and is interested in your improvement.(Of course this does not have to be only through yissurim) Those who are too far gone are left alone. Until one day when they have worse yissurim than the human mind can begin to imagine.February 6, 2012 12:25 am at 12:25 am #849765ZeesKiteParticipant
Internalize the passuk ?? ?? ??? ???? ?’ ?????.
I was told of a certain oved HaShem in the hospital who, when overcome with pain would cry out “Ai”, when it subsided, he would exclaim “AH!”. He would be thanking HaShem for sending him his “pekeleh”! Of course one must be in that madreiga, to actually thank HaShem for it, but it’s worth knowing it’s essence, and that such people do exist.
It was actually this same person who someone once embarrassed b’rabbim, publicly. Someone else noticed this recipeint overcome with such true joy, elation. When asked he explained that all yesurim have a cleaning power, the more intense the greater “wiping” (?????? ??????). However most yesurin come with a downside, sickness, bitul Torah and minyan, business etc. The pain of embarrassment is the only anguish that has no lasting side effects. (If I remember correctly, he even went over to thank the generous bestower)
There’s a chosheve man I know who once got into an accident. His whole family made it out alive, minus one ever beloved, sweet, eherliche daughter. He made a seudas Hadaah for his family, some time later. During the seudah he said that it was also to thank HaShem for taking his daughter, ??? ???????, HE TOOK IT LITERALLY!! Yes there are such people around today.
There’s a passuk that says
????? ???? ???? ???? ?’ ?? ???? ?? (I think that’s how it goes), later on when all will be clear to us, we will all thank HaShem for all of his yisurim. Why not tune in now and start thanking already. A person must not be ???? ??? ???? but at times it’s proper to say ?????? ??????.
May you be yotzai already any yisurim destined for you to endure, by “kabalas yisurim”
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Some very nice posts, zeeskite,
In theory we can look at it as making us a stronger person, we’ll be able to help others, giving us the opportunities to get to the next world,
Rabbi Akiva had a town reject him, his light go out, his donkey and his hen killed – big yesurim, right? Wrong. He was saved from the murderers that took the towns people away. Sometimes it comes to a point when you just say, G-d must have a plan and we just cannot understand. But He must still care for us because of XYZ – look out for it in your life, being positive always helps.February 6, 2012 12:49 am at 12:49 am #849767
greatt thank you all soo much for the help i really do appreciatee!!!!February 6, 2012 2:29 am at 2:29 am #849768mommamia22Participant
What happens if yisurim keep going on and on and on (for MANY years)………..
What does that mean???
I sometimes think suffering is a test, but then when it lasts ten years, twenty years, etc… I wonder… It seems a long time to test a person…February 6, 2012 5:32 am at 5:32 am #849769MiddlePathParticipant
Life is full of challenges. Without any challenges, there would be no point in living because there wouldn’t be any opportunities for growth. We grow when we are encountered with a challenge, a struggle, a hardship, and we prevail. We can’t possibly know exactly why G-d gives us certain hardships and challenges, but we SHOULD know that they are given to us because G-d knows where we can grow, and gives us opportunities to grow in those areas by presenting us with challenges that have the potential to bring out that growth.
Someone who has an easy life won’t appreciate how far he or she has come. but someone who has gone through difficulties and prevailed, can look back and appreciate that G-d gave those challenges to him or her, and sometimes, may even be able to see why they had to go through what they did.
With this in mind, we should try to look at life’s difficulties and say “Thank you, G-d, for giving me this challenge, and giving me the opportunity to use it to grow, and become a stronger, more fulfilled person.”February 6, 2012 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #849770twistedParticipant
“The pain of embarrassment is the only anguish that has no lasting side effects”
Embarrassment can be a trigger of teshuva, or a detructive weapon, a communicable disease, it can be a makas challal, and it can kill.February 7, 2012 2:23 am at 2:23 am #849771🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
mommamia – I believe that sometimes the suffering, when it lasts for decades, is not a test but rather a tikun. Where a neshama had to live out a life without making the mistakes over again and begged Hashem to put him/her in a life where they wouldn’t have the same temptations. For example, a friend of mine had a daughter who had no use of her limbs, a mekubel told her that that neshama wanted to make sure she didn’t use her limbs for bad, as she had in her previous life, and preferred a life where she was assured success. Maybe someone was gluttonous, or promiscuous or wasteful and the neshama begged Hashem to place them in a life that “guarenteed” success. I was taught that we are all shown our lives before we come here and we agree to them as is. I take comfort in that. To me it means that not only Hahsem knows the reason for my pain, but that my neshama knows as well. (Sorry if this was way too much of an answer)February 7, 2012 2:28 am at 2:28 am #849772🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
And of course, sometimes the suffering is renewed each day that the person is unable to pass the hurdles of emunah posed to them. Meaning that if they are meant to believe that there is a higher purpose, even when things are bad, and they don’t, then there is always tomorrow to try again. I just heard Rabbi Reisman say (on tape) that sometimes the test is to be in prolonged difficulty and be unwavering in your bitachon that there is a higher purpose, not just to look back after a short test and say it when it is over. (He gave the example of being out of work for 6 years, as opposed to 2)February 7, 2012 3:11 am at 3:11 am #849773CallMeDaveParticipant
One thing they say is that just like when a Mother or Father have to do something that is ultimately the best for their child, for example taking them to the doctor to get shots etc….yet they know that it will cause their child pain and suffering and thus causing themselves to suffer along with the child and still the Mother or Father overlooks their own anguish and pain because out of love for their son or daughter they are willing to bear their pain to insure that ultimately the child will benefit from it down the line. The same way when Hashem sends us pain and suffering, we can think that despite the pain Hashem “feels” he still will bear that pain to ultimately benefiet his children. May you have an easy time accepting and dealing with whatever pain you might be going through and hopefully shortly you will see how it was beneficial.February 7, 2012 7:40 am at 7:40 am #849774mommamia22Participant
I think what makes it hard is not knowing what part of a matzav is “self inflicted” by poor choice vs min hashamayim. Maybe it would be easier to accept something if you knew it was truly H’s will (maybe). Can a situation be considered “self inflicted” and if so, would it still be considered a tikkun?? Sorry, I know it’s a deep question.February 7, 2012 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #849775WIYMember
I know exactly what you mean. In fact if the situation is self inflicted then that is not a test or nisayon and no tikkun. Many people cause their own problems and blame Hashem creates us with certain character traits which if misused can destroy our lives. It’s our job to fix that. For example some people have strong desire for food. If not worked on the person can become morbidly obese and can get diabetes and other illnesses. There are people who have addictive personalities. They can get addiction to internet or drugs or gambling very easily. Their job is to make gedarim and stay away as much as possible from things that they will become addicted to and make sure they are too busy to find time for such things…
Bottom line is that most life issues are self inflicted. Unless someone was born with a sickness or similar things which are totally out of our control basically most other things are our own doing from not acting properly and not using our bechira for the good.February 7, 2012 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #849776oomisParticipant
What is hard is not the fact that we face yesurin. Everyone has a pekel to deal with, some more challenging than others. What is more difficult for me is when I see frum individuals who are either an eidel, baalas chessed, or a tremendous baal tzedaka who literally helps hundreds of people with his own two hands as well as his personal bank account, and they have one awful klop after another hit them. It is so hard to understand in what way they are “failing” that they need to work harder on themselves, which is why I don’t like that as an answer. There are so many people who are fine, balabatish Jews who do not do 1/10th the chessed these two do, and who have what appears ro be healthy, happy lives. The simple answer is that we cannot try to understand Hashem’s cheshbonos. Just accept them as they are and try to maintain our deep and abiding Emunah, even when it is more difficult to do so.
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