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  • #1951332
    Gadolhadorah
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    So the Washington Redskins are now the WFTs (Washington Football Team), we’ve moved statutes of ole Christopher Columbus from the public square and GW’s and Honest Abe’s names from San Francisco high schools and this AM the Cherokee Tribal Government requested that Jeep remove their name from their best-selling SUV. The cancel culture seems to be thriving everywhere but here in the CR. Aren’t there some prominent names of ehrliche yidden or mosdos (e.g. preferably imagined to real) that should be reviewed by a CR Cancel Culture Committee for possible future cancellation? (And no, the Mods don’t really consider themselves as surrogate culture cancellation specialists.)

    #1951546
    Mindful
    Participant

    The charedi people have had cancel culture long before the left came up with it. Just wear the wrong color shirt, that’s it, you are canceled

    #1951554
    ujm
    Participant

    Apikorsum are rightfully cancelled.

    #1951564
    charliehall
    Participant

    Some Jews who should have been cancelled:

    Pablo Christiani
    Shabbatai Tzvi
    Jacob Frank
    Karl Marx
    Trotsky (Stalin did cancel him)
    Bobby Fischer

    #1951568
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Amarizim who think they know how to learn are rightfully canceled

    #1951569
    charliehall
    Participant

    “the Washington Redskins are now the WFTs”

    The man who created the ‘Redskins’ nickname was George Preston Marshall, one of the most vile racists in the history of American sports. He should have been cancelled.

    #1951584
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    @charliehall,

    Leaders of the open orthodox travesty.

    #1951783
    Ayiddishekup
    Participant

    Bobby fischer the chess master? Why?

    #1951916
    charliehall
    Participant

    Fischer’s mother was Jewish, which makes him Jewish. But he joined a Christian cult and became an anti-Semite, denying his Judaism. He praised the 9/11 attacks. He violated US and UN sanctions on Yugoslavia when it was perpetrating genocide.

    #1951926
    charliehall
    Participant

    “open orthodox travesty”

    In honor of your slander I just sent a contribution to Yeshivat Chovevei Torah.

    #1951961
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Bobby Fischer always suffered from untreated mental health problems. Because he was a celebrity, it was chalked up to “eccentricity” and everyone accommodated his absurd requests, public tantrums, and random appearances. In his later years, he started denying that he was even Jewish, despite birth records and relatives stating otherwise. His opinions on Jews in general were horrific, to say the least. It’s likely that even had he chosen to stay in the public eye and rejoin chess tournaments, much of the media would have chosen to ignore him.

    #1952009

    Bobby Fischer was a brilliant chess player and probably was mental to begin with.
    He then became world champion while standing up to a collective action of Soviet chess federation. This whole adverse process could crack stronger souls. Later on, Victor Korchnoi ran away from USSR and also played against the whole country – and lost, in the process claiming that his opponent was getting forbidden drinks and that a Soviet doctor was hypnotizing him. In the hindsight, now that we know about polonium teas, it is hard to say whether this was real or paranoid…

    You can survive mental ordeals though. Samuel Reshevsky, who lived in Monsey, did not played on Shabbat, and, at least in later years, played in a beret, and behaved in general. Also did not always like Fischer.

    #1951982
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Avi Weiss always suffered from untreated mental health problems except that most of his people call it activism instead.

    #1952107
    bored guy
    Participant

    lets talk about bobby fisher, really? it says that a fire will go forth from the righteous and destroy the wicked. btw you notice how cancel culture only affects republicans and not democrats.
    whats wrong with black face? whats wrong with the confederate flag? slavery has nothing to do with racism, slavery existed all over the world, in Russia, and Germany, called serfs. all over arab lands.
    the Japanese had Chinese slaves. idi amin had white slaves. Jefferson Davis was fighting for states rights and lincoln didn’t go to war over slavery but rather to preserve the union. i dressed up like robert e lee with the confederate flag as a kid and i’m proud of it. robert e lee did what any man should do fight for your family and friends.

    #1952195
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    Bored guy, states rights was Confederate post-Civil War propaganda. If you examine prewar Southern newspapers and speeches, particularly those by Jefferson Davis, states rights was very low on the list of reasons. Slavery was number 1. It was only after the war, as people were trying to recast their images, was states rights highlighted as part of the “Lost Cause” fairy tale.

    #1952246
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @bored-guy An easier way of stating your comment is “I hate black people”.

    #1952383
    bored guy
    Participant

    well the main reason why the south seceded was due to slavery but they wanted state rights to mostly keep the slaves, happy to clarify.
    but there were many more factors
    including the message of fighting the elitist. southern people were saying we don’t want to be run by big banks from new york and factories of new england . lincoln didn’t carry a single southern state, and southerners thought they would be marginalized from politics. to answer yserbius slavery has nothing to do with race as i’ve shown. and i don’t hate black people, not sure how that comes in. howard stern, jimmy kimmel, trudeau, northam all wore black face. if i dress up like a pirate does that mean i want to burn down your house? if i dress up like a viking does that mean i’m invading sweden? no its called a costume.

    #1952401
    charliehall
    Participant

    “whats wrong with the confederate flag?”

    The same thing that is wrong with thr Nazi swastika flag.

    #1952466
    bored guy
    Participant

    i already explained how slavery existed all over the world, and had nothing to with racism. but as for racism perhaps you gentleman are racist, and that’s why you think of it so much.

    #1952590
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    @charliehall

    “ “open orthodox travesty”

    In honor of your slander I just sent a contribution to Yeshivat Chovevei Torah.”

    It’s not slander. They are proud of their anti torah views.

    What is horrible is that you support that group that actively promotes anti Torah positions.

    I don’t think there is any sane Orthodox Jew that does not accept that the Open Orthodox leadership are the very definition of reshaim.

    Many of their followers are simple tinokos shenishbu, because of their lack of Jewish education.

    #1952620

    This thread is drunk. Bobby Fischer had nothing to do with Open-O.
    He might have been a meshugane but he was much smarter than that.
    He did have great openings, though.

    #1952704
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    AAQ, the common denominator of Avi Weiss and Bobby Fisher is both are / were Jewish and suffered from untreated mental health problems.
    @ Nishtdan, some are tenkos the rest are lehasis

    #1952713
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    I know very little about Yeshivat Chovevei Torah, but just the hatefulness espoused here makes me want to donate to them as they must be doing something right to have you so upset.

    #1952829
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If you really knew so little about Covevei Torah, you wouldn’t comment – maybe they’re really so bad that they deserve scorn.

    #1952833
    ujm
    Participant

    ENS: YCT and OO are bona fide apikorsum, in the same way Reform and Conservative are bona fide apikorsum. It is a befeirush mitzvah to mock them.

    #1952896
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    ujm – After reading comments in the CR for a while, I have come to a conclusion that whatever you say the opposite is almost certainly correct. So based on your comments, I have to assume YCT and OO are in-fact not apikorsum and you cannot mock them.

    #1952905
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    If you don’t know what open orthodoxy is than you have just outted yourself.

    #1952914
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    I take it you are a supporter of Open Orthodoxy. Sorry for my lack of knowledge about them offending you.

    #1952924
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    According to our rav open orthodox are the malshinim that you have in mind in shmonei esrei. But you say that you’re going to support them without knowing who your supporting to spite someone else who was hateful. How loving of you.

    If i talk down on antifa will you support them to spite me too? And white supremicists? At some point you need to use knowledge to make decisions, not spite.

    #1952970
    Avi K
    Participant

    Charlie, what about racists in one way but not another? Woodrow Wilson, the darling of progressives, introduced Jim Crow into the previously integrated Federal civil service and even had the chutzpa to tell black leaders that it was good for them. On the other hand, as President of Princeton, he hired the university’s first Jewish professors. As POTUS, he appointed the first Jewish Supreme Court Justice (Louis Brandeis) over virulent and blatantly anti-Semitic opposition.

    #1953000
    charliehall
    Participant

    “states rights was very low on the list of reasons”

    It was worse than that. The South was extremely hostile to states rights prior to the Civil War. It rejoiced at the Dred Scott decision which overturned slavery bans in every state, at least ninie of which predated the US Constitution. It rejoiced at the fugitive slave law that forced states to cooperate with federal slave catchers in violation of the Tenth Amendment. Today it would be known as an unfunded mandate.

    The people who cite states rights as a reason for the Civil War are either ignoramuses about history, or hypocrites who don’t want to admit that they are apologists for slavery. Or both.

    #1953014
    charliehall
    Participant

    Avi K,

    I have often written that the Progressive Movement in the early 20th century had a strong racist component to it. Wilson was just the most obvious manifestation. Wilson was indeed a vile racist although of the gentile aristocratic variety. Ironically, his widow, descended from some of the earliest settlers of Virginia, would be classified as Black by Virginia law in 1924 because she was a ninth generation descendant of Pocahontas, making her 1/512 American Indian. That was the “one drop” rule. Wilson gets credit for appointing Brandeis (a LaFollette Progressive Republican) to the Supreme Court and for vetoing a racist immigraiton law, but he also appointed James McReynolds to the Supreme Court and as you said segregating the civil service. Wilson was a rasha who did some good things for Jews. (There are numerous other examples in history: Julius Caesar and Oliver Cromwell come to mind immediately.)

    But Wilson was not unique. The great accomplishment of the Progressive reformers who took over the state government of Virginia in 1901 was to institute a poll tax in order to disenfranchise black voters (and poor whites as well). Most Americans have never heard of Andrew Jackson Montague but he was the Progressive Governor who led this effort. Another big leader in this effort was the Progressive newspaperman Carter Glass, who would later become famous as the father of the Federal Reserve system and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, two major Progressive accomplishments. Virginia’s poll tax had been around since 1619. but had only been linked to voting in 1876. A miracle occurred in 1882 when a multiracial political party took control of state government and repealed that linik but the Progressives restored that link in 1902. Texas did the same at about that time, in another Progressive reform. But Montague and Glass made peace with the racist political machine they had overturned and each served decades in Congress (Glass in both houses) with the machine’s approval.

    Republicans were no better. Starting about 1890, leaders of the party made systematic attempts to purge Blacks from any and all leadership roles in the Party all over the South. William Howard Taft and Herbert Hoover, who ironically were not personally racist and were also associated with progressive causes, were leaders in this effort. While the 1920 Republican Platform opposed lynching (and the Progressive Republican Governor of Kentucky managed to get a strong anti-lynching law through the legislature and even ordered the National Guard to open fire on a lynch mob), Calvin Coolidge openly sought KKK votes, two Republican KKK members were elected Governors (Indiana and Colorado). By 1936 they realized that they had alienated their most loyal voters and did a 180 degree turn; from then until 1960 the Republican Party was better on Civil Rights than the Democratic Party but Black voters never returned.

    #1953015
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    What does RCA, Young Israel and Agudah have in common? they all don’t legitimize the ordination of Chovivai Torah

    #1953016
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ujm – After reading comments in the CR for a while, I have come to a conclusion that whatever you say the opposite is almost certainly correct. So based on your comments, I have to assume YCT and OO are in-fact not apikorsum and you cannot mock them.

    Sounds like the argument of an elementary school kid

    #1953018
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Maybe preschool

    #1953019
    charliehall
    Participant

    “suffered from untreated mental health problems”

    Rabbi Weiss does not need me to defend him, but it is typically people against whom he protests who have the untreated mental health problem of vile unjustified anti-Semitism. Would that more of our leaders had the courage of Rabbi Weiss.

    #1953025
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Avi Weiss never met a camera he didn’t like. That’s not courage, that’s attention seeking.

    #1953032
    ujm
    Participant

    Charlie, explain the difference, if any, between Eric Yoffie and Avi Weiss.

    #1953054
    charliehall
    Participant

    “That’s not courage, that’s attention seeking.”

    Would that more of our leaders would get attention by challenging — in person — rashaim ranging from Carlos Menem to David Duke!

    Rabbi Weiss challenges anti-Semites and you challenge Rabbi Weiss. I know whose side I’m on.

    #1953060
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    @UJM

    For one, Yoffe does not portray himself as Orthodox, meaning no one thinks he is representing a Torah position. Weiss portrays himself and his movement as Orthodox, thereby leading many astray.

    Edited

    #1953055
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Charlie, please explain the difference if any between Avi Weiss, Mordechai Levy or Moshe Ber Beck, they are all publicity hungry lunatics who thrive on getting under peoples skin.

    #1953077
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Charlie, here are plenty of self appointed publicity hounds who think they are doing the right thing ranging for the JDO on one end to Neturie Karta on the other.

    #1953089
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Charlie,

    You are missing the point. Weiss may have challenged an anti semite or two. Big deal. He has made mockery of the Torah. And he causes people to go astray from the Torah.

    Is that why you support him? Please clarify once and for all for us that you are aware and yet still intentionally support and glorify a movement which intentionally drives people away from Halachic Judaism and attempts to make mockery of Torah and Halacha.

    #1953088
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    “According to our rav open orthodox are the malshinim that you have in mind in shmonei esrei.”

    Your Rav seems very informed about Open Orthodoxy. Interesting. I doubt my Rav know anything more about Open Orthodoxy then something about female rabbis. Probably why I prefer my Rav. I guess there are some that prefer their Rabbi putting down others so they can feel holier than thou.

    #1953099
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >Rabbi Weiss challenges anti-Semites and you challenge Rabbi Weiss. I know whose side I’m on.<

    Ilhan Omar challenges Donald Trump and you challenge Ilhan Omar. Whose side are you on?

    #1953131
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    @ENS

    “ I doubt my Rav know anything more about Open Orthodoxy then something about female rabbis. Probably why I prefer my Rav.”

    So you prefer Rabbis that do not know what they are talking about.

    And that is Emes not Sheker. Aha.

    At a minimum, you should tell your rabbi that you believe he does not know what he is talking about.

    #1953162
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I guess there are some that prefer their Rabbi putting down others so they can feel holier than thou.

    Some prefer that their rabbi stand up for Hashem and His Torah.

    #1953176
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    Charlie, the South was NOT extremely hostile to states rights. For example, in 1832 South Carolina, under the doctrine of states rights, threatened to secede over 2 tariffs passed by Congress.

    #1953221
    charliehall
    Participant

    “Ilhan Omar challenges Donald Trump and you challenge Ilhan Omar. Whose side are you on?”

    Now you are comparing Rabbi Weiss to the anti-Semites Omar and Trump.

    Is there no limit to the extent of your motzi shem ra?

    #1953222
    charliehall
    Participant

    “And he causes people to go astray from the Torah.”

    Yet another lie. I personally know many people whom he brought to Torah.

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