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I feel that many people relate to Yom Haatzmaut in their unique way. The meaning behind why we celebrate. I am curious how everyone would answer these questions:
1. What does Yom Haatzmaut mean to you? What are you celebrating?
2. How do you celebrate? (Party, event, music etc)
3. How does your shul/community observe the day? (No tahanun, hallel, no changes?)I’m not looking for a debate. Just everyone writing one post about the topic.
This is YWN, not “Religious Zionist”/idolater news.
Why would you post such an offensive question here?1. As the Brisker Rav put it, “the “State” they have managed to achieve is the greatest triumph of the satan since the cheit haEiegel”, and explicitly wrote that Mashiach would have come had people prayed for that instead of for this “State”. That’s obviously cause for great celebration.
2. Observing sefirah mourning as per chazal rather than trampling it like the idolaters do.
3. People have work to do.1. I celebrate the establishment of the Jewish state on our homeland, and I believe it is part of the coming of Mashiach. I also celebrate the miracles that occurred during the establishment and the war that followed immediately after.
2. My community usually has an event to celebrate. This year, I’m away from home, and don’t have access to a celebration. So I am eating Israeli foods.
3. My shul does not say Tachanun. Some say Hallel without a brachah after davening. As I mentioned, the community has an event to celebrate.The tradition of many Torah observant Jews is to wear sackcloth on this forlorn day.
I forward to my kids a photo of Ponevezh yeshiva with Israeli flag with some quotes from Ponevezher rov, and make sure not to daven in shuls that say hallel and shuls that say tachanun, as I am uncomfortable with both.
“He [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] never tired
of telling his students that that Eretz Yisrael
is the natural place for every Jew.Only there can a Jew flourish to his maximum potential.
A Jew’s life outside of Eretz Yisrael inevitably
has a truncated, unnatural quality. He is like a polar bear
removed from his Arctic habitat and placed in the Bronx Zoo.”“Any Jew who does not at least dream of going up to
Eretz Yisrael, he said,
is surely lacking something in his Yiddishkeit.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 25, page 322) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965“And he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] expressed
amazement that anyone who considered himself
a good Jew could possibly go seven days without
thinking of some way in which he could improve
the lot of settlers in Eretz Yisrael or otherwise improve the Land.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 25, page 322) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965__________________________________________
PERSONAL COMMENT:If you read the quote shown above carefully,
you will understand that Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz
(known as: “the premier architect of Torah in American history”)
wanted ALL JEWS to help the settlers in Eretz Yisrael,
even though most of those settlers were Secular ZIONISTS!!!“On Friday, November 29, 1947, the United Nations
debated the issue of partitioning the British Mandate
for Palestine into two countries, one Arab and on Jewish.Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] prayed fervently for partition.
He had no radio in his house, but that Friday he borrowed one
and set it to the news, leaving it on for Shabbos.He waited with such tense anticipation to hear the outcome
of the U. N. [United Nations] vote that he did not come to shalosh seudos.When he heard the U. N.’s decision to establish a Jewish state,
he stood up and recited the blessing HaTov VeHaMeitiv,
Who is good and Who does good.Without losing sight of the anti-religious nature of the leaders
of the yishuv in Eretz Yisrael, he nevertheless saw the creation
of a Jewish state an act of Providence and as a cause for rejoicing.At the very least, there would now be one country in the world
whose gates would be open to the thousands of Holocaust survivors
still languishing in Displaced Persons Camps in Germany and Austria.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 331) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965Who’s “we”? Why should i celebrate with a country that hates hashem and his torah. Disgusting!
“He [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] once said that
even though Eretz Yisrael is controlled by non-religious
and anti-religious Jews, one must still admit the good
that HaKadosh Baruch Hu had done, in causing the gates
to the Land to be open once again to Jewish immigration.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 331, footnote 4, heard from Rabbi Yehoshua Schiff)
by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE,
based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965. What does Yom Haatzmaut mean to you? NOTHING What are you celebrating? NOTHING, I celebrate July 4th
2. How do you celebrate? (Party, event, music etc) I Dont
3. How does your shul/community observe the day? (No tahanun, hallel, no changes?) No one even paid attentionIf there was an israel in 1939 there would not gave been a Holocaust.
With the horrible antisemitism gerting worse dat-by-day, be thankful that there is an Israel to go to today just in case…
Besides, most of Israel is nor anti-religious anymore, only a small very vocal minority. And their children are now turning to Torah in droves.
To put things in a nutshell my take is that 1948 was the bracha that the malach of Esau (pardon my Iraqi pronunciation and spelling) gave Yacov and called him Yisrael. Eventually, just as Yacov told his camp to get rid of their idols before he went to build a mizbeach to HaShem, so too will the Jewish people soon do tshuva shelema and this time HaShem’s greater bracha of Yisrael will then happen and Israel will dwell in peace, plenty and kedusha.
Israel is going through a similar process to what Yacov went through.
Maasei avot, lesiman banim.If there was an israel in 1939 there would not have been a Holocaust.
With the horrible antisemitism getting worse day-by-day, be thankful that there is an Israel to go to today just in case…
Besides, most of Israel is nor anti-religious anymore, only a small very vocal minority. And their children are now turning to Torah in droves.
To put things in a nutshell my take is that 1948 was the bracha that the malach of Esau (pardon my Iraqi pronunciation and spelling) gave Yacov and called him Yisrael. Eventually, just as Yacov told his camp to get rid of their idols before he went to build a mizbeach to HaShem, so too will the Jewish people soon do tshuva shelema and this time HaShem’s greater bracha of Yisrael will then happen and Israel will dwell in peace, plenty and kedusha.
Israel is going through a similar process to what Yacov went through.
Maasei avot, lesiman banim.When the partition was approved and the State was declared, Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kool, zt’l stayed at home and wept.
Artscroll biographies are very nice, but not exactly a source of daas Torah.
The bottom line (whether or not they should have also known this 75 years ago) is that the “State” has caused tremendous damage to Jews and Judaism.Not sure you saw on last chat, but this was my response to you about that memorial of the female soldier getting defaced… Just in case you missed it. 🙂
Omg, Hakatan you literally make me sick. I’m not a fan of womens’ pictures in public either, but to deface a woman’s picture, especially if it’s a memorial for one who was killed for being Jewish (even you just wrote “HY”D” in your comment so don’t you dare backtrack and say that she deserved it for being a Zionist), and especially if it’s not a pritzusdik picture, is not the Torah way. We never saw our rabbeim rip down or vandalize signs of women….
And how disgusting that you say he was doing her an honor by vandalizing it. You are so twisted it’s scary. Chazal (and Rav avigdor miller-an antizionist) say some pretty damning things about people who are merciful to the wicked and cruel to the innocent… Time to get your head checked. Your Rov and your Rabbeim would be so proud of you…@Hakatan
This was my response to your comment on that chat about that female soldier’s memorial getting defaced… Just in case you missed it 🙂Omg, Hakatan you literally make me sick. I’m not a fan of womens’ pictures in public either, but to deface a woman’s picture, especially if it’s a memorial for one who was killed for being Jewish (even you just wrote “HY”D” in your comment so don’t you dare backtrack and say that she deserved it for being a Zionist), and especially if it’s not a pritzusdik picture, is not the Torah way. We never saw our rabbeim rip down or vandalize signs of women….
And how disgusting that you say he was doing her an honor by vandalizing it. You are so twisted it’s scary. Chazal (and Rav avigdor miller-an antizionist) say some pretty damning things about people who are merciful to the wrong people and are cruel to people who deserve mercy… Time to get your head checked. Your Rov and your Rabbeim would be so proud of you…Hakatan you are so sick in the head it’s scary
To longmememory
I agree with you that we must be thankful for the State, but you can’t say that the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened if Israel existed then. No one can control what Hashem does.
To user176
Do you still think that all the posters are nice people?
“If there was an israel in 1939 there would not have been a Holocaust.”
Have you read any actual literature, including from gedolim and tzaddikim like Rav MB Weissmandl?“With the horrible antisemitism getting worse day-by-day, be thankful that there is an Israel to go to today just in case…”
Did it occur to you that there would not have been that antisemitism?For example, there was a story today about some British savage who harassed an innocent Jew at work asking the Jew if he killed babies in Gaza. That is an obvious association of that Jew with Israel.
And on and on.
Hakatan- they were afraid of all the damage that it would cause. BH they were wrong. The center of Torah has returned to EY. Kibutz Galuyos is happening. More and more Jews are able to fulfill Yishuv EY. Secular Jews who would be intermarrying in Chul are marrying Jewish. No way a non Jewish government, no matter how friendly they are, would be able to provide what the state has.
Is it perfect? No way. Are there problems and conflicts between Torah and the secular government? Of course. And we deal with each challenge, one at a time. But to claim that the State has caused more damage than good is just a lie that helps you feel better about your untenable position.
HaKatan said:
the “State” has caused tremendous damage to Jews and Judaism.
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MY RESPONSE:ISLAM has caused tremendous damage to Jews and Judaism!
Under Islamic rule, Jews were not permitted to build new synagogues,
nor were they permitted to repair old ones [except through big bribes].Impoverished Jews who lived under Islamic rule were
crushed by special taxes, called JIZYA, which were
designed to penalize non-Muslims for not converting to Islam.Under Islamic rule, Jews could be sued by Muslims,
but could never sue Muslims.Under Islamic rule, Jews could never own weapons that
they could use to defend themselves,
nor could they own horses, so they could not escape.If a Jew died, and one of his sons converted to Islam,
the son who converted to Islam would inherit 100%
of his father’s money, and all the other children were disinherited.If Jewish parents died, and nobody adopted their children,
then their children would be automatically converted to Islam.These evils happened many centuries before the first
secular Zionists appeared, so do not blame it on them.“He [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] once said that
even though Eretz Yisrael is controlled by
non-religious and anti-religious Jews,
one must still admit the good that HaKadosh Baruch Hu
had done, in causing the gates to the Land
to be open once again to Jewish immigration.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 331, footnote 4, heard from Rabbi Yehoshua Schiff)
by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE,
based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965“… he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] also explained
why the secular Zionists might have been chosen
to play such a fateful role in the history of the Jewish people.In every Jew, he explained, there is a spark of kedushah (holiness) –
dos pintele Yid – which is his inheritance
from the Avos [Holy Patriarchs].Every Jew is both an individual and as part of the collective body of Israel.
As long as he does not sever his bonds to the nation,
that little spark is not extinguished, no matter how numerous his sins.Divine Providence might have arranged that the secular Zionists
play a major role in the redemption of Eretz Yisrael
precisely in order to maintain their connection to Klal Yisrael.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 335) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965In a conversation with the Satmar Rav, shortly after
his talk on the U.N. [United Nations] declaration,
Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] was subjected to
the sharpest criticism for his “Zionist leanings.”Later he told his family,
“I could have answered him [the Satmar Rav] Chazal for Chazal,
Midrash for Midrash, but I did not want to incur his wrath,
for he is a great man and a tzaddik.”He added with a twinkle, “And besides, he has a fiery temper”…
SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 335 to 336) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965_____________________________________________________________________
PERSONAL COMMENT:This quote has appeared in this Coffee Room many times
over the past 4 years, yet the anti-Zionists have NEVER
responded to it, because it refutes their outdated, hate-filled, false beliefs.Once full-scale war broke out after the State of Israel
declared its existence on May 14, 1948 [CE]
Reb Shraga Feivel’s [Mendlowitz] thoughts
were never far from Eretz Yisrael.A group of students saw him outside the Mesivta building
one day, talking excitedly with Rabbi Gedaliah Schorr
and gesticulating rapidly with the newspaper held in his hand.“If I were your age,” he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] told the students,
“I would take a gun and go to Eretz Yisrael.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 26, page 338) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965HaKatan asks if there would be anti-semitism if Israel didn’t exist.
He must have forgotten what was written many, many centuries earlier. It’s a halacha that Esav sonei es Yaakov. Anti-semitism will always exist, until Mashiach comes. It has nothing to do with Israel, or anything else. This is just the norm in the world that Hashem created.
But we all know that HaKatan is a sonei, and now he’s an apikores as well, denying the words of Chazal.@DaMoshe:
“HaKatan asks if there would be anti-semitism if Israel didn’t exist…It’s a halacha that Esav sonei es Yaakov. Anti-semitism will always exist, until Mashiach comes. It has nothing to do with Israel, or anything else…”That’s obviously absurd. Of course it has everything to do with the idol.
The root cause of antisemitism is assimilation, which is just as “yadua” as “ESL”.
Zionism and its “State” is the ultimate assimilation.
So that’s on a Torah/reality level.Practically, we have seen endless news reports of Jews worldwide being hurt ch”V in response to some military or other action taken by the idol. Even Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik, way back, admitted that the Arab hate was due to the “State”.
Of course ESL very much has to do with the idol.
But we all know that your idolatry, “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and heresy according to all the gedolim. So your little projection is sad. Repent and leave the idol!
from Kisvei Hagrai Henkin, #116, pp. 232– 233.
Even if someone appears as a hater, nevertheless it is possible to change him into a friend, as experience teaches — for example, the story with Yaakov versus Esav. And it is a criminal sin (avon plili) of those talkative preachers who constantly preach halachah Esav sonei l’Yaakov and that the hatred Esav has is unrelenting.
This is contrary to the truth, contrary to Chazal, and contrary to Tanach. For Esav himself was not always evil [to us] and his hatred was assuaged by the proper response.
And as this was true regarding the first Esav, so too it is with his future generations. Subjugation brings peace. This is what Ben Zoma means by “Who is honored? He who honors others.” It refers also to the nations. When we honor them and say to them, “You are our friend,” they become friends because of this, and the reverse is true as well — if we say, “You hate us,” they will hate us because of that.
Experience confirms this daily.
Translation taken from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s “The Empty Wagon”
> Even Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik, way back, admitted that the Arab hate was due to the “State”.
not sure what this means. But according to R Schach Arab hate was there because early Zionists were not religious and Hashem had to prevent their assimilation and made Arabs hate those zionists. I hope you care about those Zionist neshomos as much as r Schach – and Hashem – do.
@Always_Ask_Questions:
“Not sure what this means”
You do. It’s not very complicated. The Jews lived peacefully with the Arabs both under Arab rule and in the holy land (yes, there was the occasional disturbance every couple of decades or so; no, it wasn’t gan eden, but it was far better than under Christian rule at the time and incomparably better than under the heretics now).Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik noted the obvious reality that the rise in Arab hatred towards Jews (mistakenly considering them all Zionists) since the advent of Zionism around a century ago was due to….wait for it….Zionism (particularly their “State”). Wow. What a concept.
Mathematically if all the Torah Jews in Israel would vote, and all the Torah jews of the world come to Israel and vote, they would be hands down the largest and ruling party. Hence in this day and age no matter what the original founders of the state had in mind it is the Torah Jews in Israel who refuse to vote and the Torah Jews of the world who refuse to move to Israel and vote who are solely responsible for the continued secular rule in the state of Israel. In this day and age all the complaints of the anti state of Israel Torah Jews are 100% self inflicted.
To User176
When Moshe Rabbeinu tried to make peace with Dasan and Aviram they told him that he could take their eyes out and they won’t budge. Chazal tell us that the Yetzer hora for idolatry was eliminated. I would suggest that it morphed into different forms. So, we have Chabad which considers the Rebbe a deity, ujm and Hakatan whose god is wishing death and destruction on Israel and rescue who decided that he’s on equal footing with Hashem and can speak for Him. Having read your posts, you’re clearly a fine person and a true Ben Torah and I understand your exasperation. Rav Reuvein Feinstein once told me that Judaism is so simple, do the Mitzvohs and love other Jews. It really is simple, but the Yetzer hora is quite adept at messing with our minds. One thing is certain: there’s no way to get through to an idolater, so as Greg Allman sang, “Your wasted words should never be heard.”
“In [year]1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked
the newly declared Jewish state and soldiers
were falling on the battlefield, several Roshei Yeshivah
taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] for
having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
who agreed with him that the U. N. [United Nations] resolution
[to establish a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE]
was indeed worthy of the blessing.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3,
heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965__________________________________________
PERSONAL COMMENT:PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he founded Beth Medrash Govoha in Lakewood.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he worked day and night to save Jews from The Holocaust.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he wrote Shu”t Mishnas R’ Aharon (responsa).PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he wrote the Mishnas Rabbi Aharon commentary on the Talmud.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because produced many highly distinguished talmidim,
including: Rabbi Shlomo Brevda, Rabbi Moshe Heinemann,
Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch, Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky,
Rabbi Shlomo Miller, Rabbi Yechiel Perr,
Rabbi Gedalia Schorr, Rabbi Elya Svei and many others.To user176
I have a wonderful actual example to make your point. Rav Aharan Lichtenstein was one of the leaders of Religious Zionism. When he passed away one son took over as Rosh Yeshiva of Har Etzion and another son became a Rosh Yeshiva in Torah Vodaath. Obviously, they love each other even though one is Yeshivish and the other is Zionistic. So yes, there’s no reason that two people with different Hashkafahs can’t get along as beautifully as they do.
user> Suddenly there is this rift between people over a hashkafic detail
right, but in some context, it is a detail, and in others, life & death depend on it. When R Yochanan b Zakkai insisted on meeting Romans against the wishes of kanoyim, this was not a “minor” detail. In our times, there were people who stayed in badlands because of a hashkafa. Supporting medinah or not look optional if the group with a safek is small and state is strong, but how do you ever know what is critical. As invoting – the chance of your vote being decisive is close to zero – but cumulative effect of all decisions is decisive. As Rambam says, consider the world being balanced between tov vera and your next mitzva/aveira can change the balance.
qwerty, beautiful example! I know a pro-Z rav, current in chutz, whose S-I-L is yeshivish in Israel, so when Israeli haredim participated in crane=climbing demonstrations, the S-I-L described the beauty of the event asked – Tati, would you have participated. The F-I-L was not sure (really).
QUESTION:
Rabbi Moshe Sherer (born 1921 CE, died 1998 CE)
was the President of Agudath Israel.
What did Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA say about the modern State of Israel?__________________________________________
ANSWER:Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA said these
statements about the modern State of Israel:
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from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 13, page 321:“He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] assured [Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin…
that he could always count on Agudath Israel of America
to be strongly supportive of Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 1st quote of 4, which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!NOTE: This conversation occurred in, or close to, year 1975 CE.
Yitzhak Rabin was Prime Minister from June 1974 to June 1977 CE.
__________________________________________
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 15, page 356:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer responded at length.
He pointed out that the opposition to religious umbrella groups
did not preclude Jews joining together on issues as
Israel’s security or combating anti-Semitism.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 2nd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 545:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer’s summary of a confidential
June 17, 1970 [CE] meeting with Israel’s
Ambassador to Washington Yitzchak Rabin
reflects his lifelong approach to Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 3rd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 546:The offer of political support Rabbi Sherer made
to Yitzchak Rabin was one he would repeat
on many occasions to Israeli leaders.In a 1981 [CE] letter to Israeli Ambassador Ephraim Efron,
for instance, he described Agudath Israel’s grassroots
constituency as a “reservoir of manpower which is
totally committed to the safety and security of Israel.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 4th quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!user> And there are anti zioni people who aren’t filled with hatred and would associate with “Zionists.”
right, some time ago, I saw one pretty haredi rav being asked by not-very-observant people, whether he is a Zionist. He responded: yes, as it says “hamehazir shehinato b’Zion”. He explained to me later that he wanted to give the positive answer in the name of unity of Jewish people rather than dwell on differences.
Why would I celebrate the day a bloody war began?
To Haleivi
NK’s and their supporters would certainly be happy if, Chas Veshalom, “Israel’s enemies” were beaten, because it would prove, at least in their demented minds, that they’re right. So, they can say that they don’t want any harm to befall the Jews in Israel rather they just want the country destroyed, but they’re full of it. I’m not including you in the discussion because I’m not aware of your leanings in this matter.
for HaLeiVi:
Independence Day, celebrated on July 4th, commemorates
the adoption of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 CE,
which declared the United States free from British rule.This day is marked by celebrations like fireworks,
parades, and family gatherings across the country._______________________________________________________________
According to HaLeiVi’s logic, this day should NOT be a holiday,
because the Declaration of Independence in 1776 CE
caused a war between England and the American states,
in which many people died.Do you day Hallel on the secular day of July 4th? Do we “celebrate” it? I guess those who toss out thousands of years of established rule of their grandparents in favor of Turkish and British rule, would be more likely to incorporate secular ideas of when, what and how to celebrate, while stepping on their own tradition. Pretty self hating.
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:“Such a committee of investigation would have served
as a ploy to unseat Prime Minister Menachem Begin,
for whom both the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah
of America and that of Eretz Yisrael had great respect.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that the Gedolim had
“great respect” for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a Secular Zionist state!NOTE: Mr. Menachem Begin was Prime Minister of Israel from June 1977 to October 1983.
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:In a fascinating letter to Rabbi Menachem Porush,
written half a year after Israel’s dramatic victory
in the Six-Day War [in year 1967 CE], Rabbi Sherer
agreed “that what transpired were great miracles.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
disagreed with those who said that Israel’s dramatic victory
in the Six-Day War resulted from the sitra achra (satanic forces)
[for example: the Satmar Rebbe].Rabbi Menachem Porush was a member of Knesset for Agudath Israel
between 1959 and 1975 CE, and again from 1977 until 1994 CE.
The Jewish Press published Rabbi Porush’s articles hundreds of times.
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