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  • #603485

    Feif Un
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    A good friend told me that his Rav spoke about Yom Yerushalayim yesterday. He said the following:

    In 1967, when the 6 Day War started, in Yeshiva Torah V’Daas, the Roshei Yeshiva made a big decision. R’ Yaakov Kaminetsky and R’ Schorr zt”l decided to put a television in the yeshiva, outside the beis medrash, tuned to news about the war.

    When the Israeli general announced “Har Habayit b’yadeinu”, the two Roshei Yeshiva happened to be by the TV. R’ Yaakov zt”l raced into the beis medrash, up to the bimah, and interrupted the seder. He announced what had happened, and made a brachah of shehechiyanu. He said it was clearly a gift from Hashem, and we had to have hakaras hatov for it.

    The Chief Rabbi in Israel at the time came to the kotel to make the first minyan in years at the kotel, together with the soldiers. He also made a brachah of shehechiyanu – and followed it with the brachah we say on Tisha B’Av, M’nachem tzion u’voneh Yerushalayim. He said we can’t forget that the Beis Hamikdash is not yet rebuilt, and this is just one step.

    Let us all celebrate that we can now daven at the kotel, that there are yeshivos in Yerushalayim that can exist without fear. As the Navi said, Od yeshvu zekanim u’zkanot b’rechovot Yerushalayim. V’Ish mishanto b’yado m’rov yamim. U’rchovot ha’ir yimalu, yeladim v’yiladot misachakim b’rchovoseha.

    This nevuah appears to have been fulfilled. Let us all thank Hashem for this!

    #1017927

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Hodu la’shem ki tov, ki l’olam chasdo. Thanks for posting, Feif.

    #1017928

    Csar
    Member

    Story isn’t accurate or correct.

    #1017929

    akuperma
    Participant

    After all, those Yidden in the Midbar were probably a bunch of old fashioned fanatics, and even they celebrated the victory over the Egyptians by celebrating Of course some hareidi types object and dreamed up some argument that we should not celebrate victories on the ridiculous idea that you know who doesn’t approve of killing goyim. Those same fanatics even dreamed up the idea that the mitsva of Hanukah had something to do with some miracle in the Beis ha-Mikdash, when we all know that the thing we were celebrating was having trounced the Greeks in a good old fashioned war.

    Fortunately, the Israelis have learned their lesson, and thus we celebrate military victories in honor of defeating the British in 1948, and the Arabs in 1967. Isn’t that what have a modern state is all about?

    #1017930

    Sam2
    Participant

    Kaf Ches Iyar 45 years ago was the biggest day of Ahavas Yisrael and Achdus in recent memory. Why do people have to politicize things (from both ends) and ruin it?

    #1017931

    writersoul
    Member

    Csar is redundant and repetitive.

    And I don’t know anything about that story, but WHY would people not celebrate upon the Jews’ being able to go to the Kotel, upon a war which could have caused thousands of deaths being averted, and upon the reunification of Yerushalayim? It wasn’t the Jews who started the war— this is probably the best-case scenario. I would say it was definitely a neis, seeing as I think there are a lot of nissim which happen which we don’t acknowledge.

    #1017932

    avhaben
    Participant

    The Zionists caused the loss of Jewish access to the Kosel and Yerushalayin from 1948. So there is nothing to celebrate. If they hadn’t caused us to lose access, we would have had access after ’48 just as we did before ’48.

    #1017933

    Sam2
    Participant

    Avhaben: Are you saying that because our Avonos caused the Beis Hamikdash to be destroyed that there is no reason to be happy when it is rebuilt? If we never would have sinned then we never would have lost it. Regaining Yerushlayim is a reason to thank HKBH, regardless of how we lost it and how we got it back (also, see my earlier post).

    #1017934

    avhaben
    Participant

    It is the same resshoyim who caused its loss that made this so-called “holiday” to celebrate restoring the access they caused us to lose. It is their holiday. No thanks.

    #1017935

    Kalev
    Member

    You are a bunch of MERAGLIM.

    Wake up!

    Stop your pathetic game of cops and robbers on the streets of Brooklyn and get with the program!

    By hook or by crook, you are ALL coming to Israel and you will ALL be part of the only Jewish future – or you will have no future at all.

    #1017936

    Naftush
    Member

    Feif un

    It’s a touching story but Israel didn’t have its own TV station until 1968. The only TV transmissions that could be picked up in Yerushalayim were Jordanian….

    #1017937

    Sam2
    Participant

    Naftush: The Yeshivah where this story took place (which should be easily verifiable; if it happened there would be many living witnesses) was in America.

    #1017938

    takahmamash
    Participant

    The Zionists caused the loss of Jewish access to the Kosel and Yerushalayin from 1948. So there is nothing to celebrate. If they hadn’t caused us to lose access, we would have had access after ’48 just as we did before ’48.

    Wow, and what kind of access was that? Let’s see, a wall of houses almost up to the Kotel itself, Arab trash strewn everywhere, access allowed only when the British felt like it, and no blowing the shofar there at all. Hmmmm, sounds like wonderful access to me!

    #1017939

    Naftush
    Member

    Sam2

    Touche, I should have known.

    #1017940

    Csar
    Member

    The story in the OP is a bubbe maisa.

    #1017941

    Sam2
    Participant

    Csar: Just curious, why do you call it a Bubbe Maisa? I asked two people who I know who were in Torah Vada’as at the time. Both told me it’s true. (Well, one said he saw it and the other said that he had stepped outside the Beis Medrash at the time but that everyone their knew it had happened.)

    #1017942

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    I join my voice to the ones who celebrate jom jerushalaim.I am convinced that when Moshaich comes, avhaben and apukerma will object to his coming and ignore him because he would be religious zionist- G-d forbid, they will say, we cannot be pasrt of this new “nisayon” from HKBH. We have to wait till ….what?

    #1017943

    zen3344
    Participant

    IMHO, nothing more beautiful than Adon Olam sung to the tune of Yerushalyim Shel Zahav.

    #1017944

    yichusdik
    Participant

    Csar, checked the story with a Talmid Muvhak of R’ Yaakov last night. True.

    #1017945

    yichusdik
    Participant

    Oh, and Sam2, he calls it a bubbeh maase because it challenges his worldview. If it doesn’t fit into his perspective, it doesn’t exist. It’s not unlike ultra leftist historians and writers who ignore entire policies, movements, governments, and leaders if the facts don’t fit into their ideology.

    #1017946

    brech
    Participant

    As a talmid I know that Rav Yaakov and Rav Schorr never brought a TV into the Yeshiva. I never heard this story and certainly would have known about it had it occurred.

    #1017947

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    brech: Were you a talmid of Rav Yaakov or Rav Schorr or of the yeshiva after their time?

    #1017948

    147
    Participant

    I am so sorry that I was unable to be in the coffee room on Yom Yerusholayim, and personally wish all of you a Chag Sameach, but I was so busy & occupied with my observances of this incredibly wonderful holiday of Yom Yerusholayim, that I simply wasn’t able to do something as mundane as be in a coffee room.

    I was the entire day reliving the incredible emotions & Chasdei haShem that were bestowed upon us, 4 & 1/2 decades ago.

    Needless to say, I was far too busy celebrating Yom Yerusholayim, to be able to attend this Assifah.

    #1017949

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Could someone kindly explain what this “Yom Yerushalaim” is. It sounds as if it’s some sort of chag – “Yom Yerushalaim”. How about Yom Kensington? Yom Boro Park?

    #1017951

    R.T.
    Participant

    Perhaps, it’s best to see everyday as a Yom for Yerushalayim:

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    #1017952

    Feif Un
    Participant

    ZeesKite: Yom Yerushalayim celebrates the day that the Israeli army re-captured the Old City of Yerushalayim (including the Kotel) in 1967. There are famous pictures and videos of the soldiers when they got to the Kotel. They were literally fighting building to building, and did not really know the layout of the area well. Suddenly, they came around a bend, and there it was – the Kotel. The soldiers broke down and cried, overcome with emotion knowing that this holiest of locations was now in Jewish hands once again.

    What is Yom Kensington? Does it celebrate the day there was fighting in the streets over the “Eruv”?

    #1017953

    apushatayid
    Participant

    40000 people filled citi field on yom yerushalayim.

    #1017954

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    No, the day I moved in (everyone elee moved out)

    #1017955

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Yom Yerushalim is a day when some have taken upon themselves to say Kinot

    #1017956

    Feif Un
    Participant

    zahavasdad: Neturei Karta don’t count (except to Joseph).

    ZeesKite: You live in Kensington? I used to live there. I didn’t enjoy it much. Nobody knew that my wife and I existed. A day before we were going to move out, we were all packed up, and my wife realized she’d forgotten something she needed to cook supper with – 2 eggs. She knocked on a neighbor’s door to try and borrow some. She told her, “Everything is in boxes, and I don’t want to buy a full dozen. Do you have 2 eggs you can spare?”

    The neighbor asked her if we’d just moved in, and were unpacking! My wife said, “No, we’ve been living here for a while, and we’re moving out! I’ve said Good Shabbos to you plenty of times, said hello if we passed each other during the week, and you really have no clue who I am…”

    We were happy to leave the area.

    #1017957

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Oh, so you were the… (kidding)

    Sorry, really sorry for you’re experience. I found it the most lovely place. As I wrote sometime before, someone referred to it as the poor man’s Flatbush. Not BP, not Flatbush, just perfect. We all greet each other here, warmly.

    #1017958

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    ZK: Because Yerushalaim has significance to the Jewish people. Kensington is just a place where many Jews live. When we rebuild the Beis Hamikdash the Jews in Kensington will be oleh regel to Jerusalem, not the other way around. Get it?

    #1017959

    Alex
    Participant

    Sam2 maybe is was a radio, not a tv.

    #1017960

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    ItcheSrulik: Starting to get it. S l o w l y

    #1017961

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    I was the one who told Feif Un this story. I recently spoke to a relative of mine who learned in Torah V’Daas at the time, and asked him about this story. He said he never witnessed such a thing, or heard about it.

    I asked my Rav about it, telling him what my uncle said. He double-checked his source, and confirmed it – Rabbi Reisman shlita said the story over in one of his shiurim. He said he has a transcript of the shiur, and will give me a copy. When he does, I’ll let you know exactly when he said it over.

    #1017962

    DaMoshe
    Participant
    #1017963

    afsher
    Participant

    Just ask Rav Reisman if Rav Yaakov brought a TV into the Yeshiva and made a shehechiyanu.

    #1017964

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I do know that Rav Yaakov wanted to see the Moon landing on TV and see if the Rambam was correct or not about the moon being a phyiscal place.

    I dont know where he watched it though

    #1017965

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I do know that Rav Yaakov wanted to see the Moon landing on TV and see if the Rambam was correct or not about the moon being a phyiscal place.

    Yeah, the moon landing was probably faked anyway.

    #1017966

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Chag sameach! Let us all celebrate the fulfillment of the nevuah: “Od yeshvu z’keinim u’z’keinos b’rechovos Yerushalayim. V’ish mishanto b’yado meirov yomim. U’richovos ha’ir yimalu yiladim v’yilados misachakim b’richovoseha.”

    Thank you Hashem for this wonderful gift! Me’eis Hashem haysa zos, hee niflas be’eyneinu!

    #1017967

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    DAMoshe: I join you in the thanks for this marvelous day!

    #1017970

    simcha613
    Participant

    This is a question for posters on all sides of this “machlokes:”

    If following years and years of an enemy government occupying the Old City of Yerushalayim and not allowing Jews to even enter, a non-Jewish army miraculously defeated our enemy, took control of Jerusalem, and let Jews return to the Old City of Jerusalem to live and serve G-d there, would we be celebrarting that day as Yom Yerushalayim? Is there necessarily a relationship between Yom Yerushalayim and the Medinah?

    #1017971

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    simcha613: I honestly don’t know the answer to that question. I’d probably ask my Rav what he thought.

    #1017972

    Simcha: I wouldn’t celebrate in your hypothetical scenario. Jewish sovereignty is an amazing gift, a part and parcel of the entire overall miracle of modern Israel, a reunited yerushalayim, and the incredible military victory of the six day war.

    #1017973

    torahlishma613
    Participant

    I think it is beautiful that we are able to Daven at the kotel again. Even though the zionists may have caused the loss of access to the kosel, the access before 1948 was horrible and it was pretty filthy and you couldn’t go when you wanted to the kosel. Sometimes you need temporary loss for long term gain. May we merit the coming of moshiach and may we all return to yerushalyaim bimhaira viyameinu.

    #1017974

    147
    Participant

    B’H The Kossel is here in Jewish hands, to stay in our hands for ever. “Har haBayis bYodeinu” for ever.

    It was with profound Simcha that I was able to once again relive the Yom Yerusholayim experience 46 years later, and recite full Hallel to give proper Shevach veHodo’oh to the Ribbono Shel Olom.

    I have already twice been to Israel since last year’s Yom Yerusholayim, and it is incredible to Mamash be able to Daven by a wall of the Actual Bais haMikdosh.

    We Jews must keep going to Israel as often as possible, and saying our Prayers at the Kossel as often as possible.

    #1017975

    Sam2
    Participant

    147: … The Kosel isn’t part of the Beis Hamikdash. It’s part of the retaining wall of Har HaBayis, which survives in its entirety.

    #1017976

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Bump!

    Chag sameach! Thank you Hashem for the wonderful gift you have given us!

    #1017977

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Let’s celebrate that apikorsim desecrate the makom hamikdosh for their political agenda against Hashem.

    I’d rather not be able to daven there, just let it not be desecrated.

    (And the Mosque is still on the har habayis either way)

    #1017978

    Let’s celebrate that apikorsim desecrate the makom hamikdosh for their political agenda against Hashem.

    I am ready to punch you.

    I don’t care for any future response you might have.

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