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  • in reply to: Is Zionism the Yetzer Hora? #1148634
    brisker222
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    Let’s go through this slowly. You asserted that the Rema is a source for not listening to rabonim if they would argue with the lay leaders. The Rema says no such thing. He simply states the binding nature of a community-led decision. He does not say that the community need not defer to any potential rabbinic involvement.

    Also, bringing proofs from sources that are from your community, which do not hold of the concept of DT, is like a christian missionary bringing proofs from the new testament. I do not know the position of R. Kook, but some one-sentence overview of what you think was his approach is not goingto do much for me, all the more so when his seforim were forbade by the chazon ish. R. Soloveitchik was greatly influenced by his time in the hotbed of german intellectual haskalah, which (surprise?) despises the idea of deferring to authority in general, and certainly that of a religion.

    For the record, it is ridiculous that you bring a proof from reb Moshe. He said often(see the artscroll reb moshe book) that those who do not believe in the concept of DT, and who think that rabonim are only there to answer shailos in halacha, and not run klal yisroel, are not part of klal yisroel. The chazon ish writes similarly that this is the ‘shitah yeshanah of the haskalah’ (this is in igros chazon ish)

    So, you brought proof from both those who oppose you, and those who are, well, you yourself.

    in reply to: Is Zionism the Yetzer Hora? #1148630
    brisker222
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    To Avi K – I seldom hear such drivel. Honestly, you’re deducing from the fact that halacha allows for a community organization, led by a lay leader, which is responsible for tax issues(and tax issues only), that one may not listen to a rov in matters of leading klal yisroel? The rema did not say that if a Rov in the town would pasken, that the aforementioned lay leader would not have to listen; we are talking about when the rov is not involved. The rema is also referring to mundane matters; running klal yisroel as a nation, must be done only by its leaders, like rashi says in chumash ‘ain yisroel oseh davar bli gedoleihem(i’ll have to find the source, but i remember the lashon)

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