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LiveandLearn: I respectfully disagree. Its a makom muchan l’puranious hanfesh, for youngsters visiting. And it aint the only place. Vegas would be worse. Why do young 18 year olds have to be thrown into the lion’s den? Maybe these spiritually dangerous places should be served by kollel couples, or at the very least older 23+ year olds, that are more mature and have better discretion?
LiveandLearn: We have nothing against those living in Miami. Afterall Bnei Yisroel Lived in Mitzrayim the “armpit” of the world for 210 years. I also have family in Miami, and yes very normal indeed. But let’s say your kids vacationed in NYC by staying in a Times Square Hotel, and spent their day on 42nd St, would you be ok with that?
That is the nisayon a New Yorker would have by roaming around FL, unhindered. You simply cannot compare living there and visiting especially when touring. You should know that better than all of us.
Folks: Once again, why do we clump the need for a break aka “vacation” with tumah and prikas ol? Traveling is fine. As a matter of fact my teens drove to Yellowstone and had an awesome experience. But they did travel together with a group, so they always had minyanim. When you go with a good chaburah, it is also a shmirah, that you don’t do things you may normaly fall prey to. Are there people inappropriatly dressed in Yellowstone or any rest area they may stop at? You bet! But it aint no different on Ocean Pkwy. They can still invoke their bechirah, and it’s not glaring at them everywhere they go. Most of the time the boys were by themselves, and there was where to divert their attention. In FL, besides the fact that it’s pervasive, the avirah is one of lewdness. Perhaps the visiting population, beaches, attractions & hotels lend to that atmosphere.
Those who live there hopefully have learned to deal with it. You cannot compare that to folks who go down to visit and are already on a semi prikas ol mode. It’s very dangerous. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientest to figure it out.
KFP: So if chilling means letting them do whatever they please, just let them spend a few days in Times Square, no need to shlep to Miami.
I think some of you are just missing the point. Just because there is pritzus almost everywhere, doesn’t mean we should be stupid. Although the particular episode happened in Miami, doesn’t mean it’s much better in LA or Phoenix. My point is, we as parents and mechanchim, have to use our sechel a bit and not throw our kids into the fire. We have to be diligent and really understand what the circumstances are going to be like wherever they go. Would any of u agree to have these boys go mixed swimming every day??? Just justify it by saying there is pritzus in the street of NY anyway!
sam4321: Interestingly, in that Rasi in Taanis which is very similar to the one in KiSisa, he does not say SOLACHTI KIDVORECHA. I don’t dispute the fact that HaShem gave us a kaparah on Yom Kippur. My question was, what is Rashi’s source that HaShem said Solachti Kidvorecha. It’s a common refrain on Yom Kippur, but I haven’t found it in Tanach.
In Parshas Ki-Sisa 33,11 – Rashi in the 1st D”H V’shov el hamachane (twds end), states that on 10 Tishrei (Yom Kippur), HaShem was appeased to Klal Yisroel with simcha and a complete heart, and he told Moshe “Solachti Kidvorecha” and then gave him the 2nd luchos.
Can anyone tell me what Rashi’s source is?
(To my knowledge, the only time Hashem said Solachti Kidvorecha was in Parshas Shelach after the sin of the Meraglim).
To me the whole issue is much simpler than everyone makes it. When a young lady dons a shorth or tight skirt or one with a slit, or any article of clothing that exposes her body or body form, what is she thinking??? Every girl has either a husband or father who is turned on by other women who dress provocitavly, so why can’t they explain to their loved ones that they don’t want other men coveting them? Forget about frumkeit! This is the most elementary thing that any human being should understand. And if they don’t think that lifney ivair is such a terrible thing, then why don’t they just walk down the streets completely naked, then everyone will look at them.
True it is very hard to find normal tzniusdik clothing these days, but if we would all put pressure on the stores, they will have them made, just as big manufacturers make shabbos ovens!