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@yankelberel

Which rabbi from Torah vodaas? What was the story?

Are you claiming that when one of the chachamim argued with their teacher (in gemara let’s say), the argument was “my teacher, you are mistaken what Hashem informed Moshe on har Sinai, the halacha was actually said over this way….”?

I believe that arguments amongst chaza”l were as follows: “my teacher, you are mistaken in your conclusion according to the Klalim (rules) that Hashem gave Moshe on Har Sinai. If you look closely, the rules should result in a different law – unlike the one you taught”

Meaning, Hashem did NOT give every detail to Moshe. He gave Klalim on how to develop the laws in the Torah.

About arguing with your Rebbe, and the concept of infallibility:

If a chossid believes that his Rebbe is the Moshe Rabbeinu of his generation, then the ideas that are expressed about the yidden in the times of Moshe Rabbeinu apply to the chossid’s Rebbe.

For example believing (אמונה) in Moshe: ויאמינו בה’ ובמשה עבדו or וגם בך יאמינו לעולם

(And if a chossid is lacking in this area, chassidim used to say: ולא שמעו אל משה – not fully trusting and believing in the Rebbe comes from מקוצר רוח – a lacking of “Ruach”/”Ruchniyus”)

This brings to mind a story that the Rebbe said once: Reb Chonye Marozov (A chossid of the Previous Rebbe) was once asked “who do you hold more of? Moshe Rabbeinu or the Rebbe”, to which he replied “The Rebbe, because without my Emunah in my Rebbe, I would not have my level of Emunah in Moshe Rabbeinu”