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tiawd:
Your reckless claim that an explicit statement of the Baal Hatanya is “Kefira” is the main problem with your post.
The Tanya specifically adds the word “Mamash”!
To say someone who says Mamash does not mean it literally is simply absurd, dishonest and False.
Your first “proof” is actually the biggest proof to the contrary of your claim as the real meaning of ??? ??? ????? as explained by the sources you quoted is that there is no real existence outside of Hashem.
Take a look at Sforno Bereishis 32:1 who also alludes to this idea.
The distance you are trying to create between yourself and Hashem is actually a lot closer to the “border” of Kefira (Christianity) than the idea you are questioning.
From the Tanya ??? ? ??? ?:
???????? ?????????? ????????????? ???? ????? ???????? ???????? ???????, ?????? ??????????1: “????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????”, ??”?????? ????????? ????”2, ??????? ?????????? ?????????3: ???? ???????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, ??????????????? ???????????????????, ?????????????? ?????????????? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????. ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????????, ???????????: “?????? ????????? ??????????”4, “??????? ?????? ???’ ??????????”5. ????????, ?????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ???????? ???? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????????? ??????????? ???????????, ????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ????????6, ?????? ???? ??????????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????????”?7,
????: ???????? ??? ??????? ???????????, ?????? ?????????? ??????????? ????????”?. ????? ????? ???????? ??????”? ??”? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?????????????? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ????????????; ???? ??? ????????? ?????????????. ??????? ?????????????? ????????? ?????, ??????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???? ??? ????????? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ?????”? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ?????”? ?????????? ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ???????????, ?????? ??????????8: “??????? ?????????? ????????”.
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[??????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?????, ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ???? ?????????].
??????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????????, ???????????? ???????????? ??????????? ??? ????? ????????????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????? ???????? ????????? ??????????? ???????????, ???????????12: “??????? ?????????? ????????”, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ????????; ????? ???? ??? ????????? ?????????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????????, ??????? ?????????? ??????? ????????, ???? ???????? ????????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ????????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????.
??????? ?????? ??????? ????”?13 ??? ???????14 “??????????? ????”, ??????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ??????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ???????. ???? ??? ????? ????????? ????????????? ????????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ????????????? ????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ????????? ??’. [??????????????? ??????????? ????????????? ????????, ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? ????????]:
????? ??????????? ?????????15 ????????? ??????16 ??????????? ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ????????, ??? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??’, ??????? ???????? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ??????????? ??????????, ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??’, ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ??? ??? ???????????, ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???. ????? ????????? ??? ???????, ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ??????. ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????????, ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??’. ????? ??????????? ????????, ?????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ????????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ???????? ??’, ?????? ????????? ??????”? ??”? ???? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ??????????.
???? ??????DY:
“Would you similarly argue that someone who learns Torah sheba�al peh from a sefer is doing something wrong since it�s only muttar because of eis la�asos Lashem heferu?”
Would you similarly argue that now that Esther married a non jew because of Eis Laasos it is now muttar (and according to you proper) to marry a non jew?
When we say Eis Laasos and something becomes temporarily muttar or even proper for that moment that is in NO WAY coming to change the Torah value system or principles.
And yes there is very much of the Torah shebaal peh Takanah that we still observe today in spite of the Eis Laasos that is why gemaras are to this day still printed without nekudos, it is said that is why the Gra wrote mostly abbreviations and more.
The Torah’s values and principles are forever and even if temporarily suspended not subject to change.
If the Rambam is declaring that one who learns and supports himself is the higher madrega and the Kesef Mishna at no point disagrees with that rather to the contrary agrees with that point of the Rambam than any other suggestion is trying to change the Torah and FALSE.
DY – A part of the Kesef Mishna you did not quote:
Ein safek shemi shechanano hashem yisborach sheyisparnes memelachti ASSUR lo litol.
Kesef Mishna
Gam ki nodeh shehalacha kdivrei rabeinu bperush hamishna efsher shehiskimu kein kol chachmei hadoros mishum eis laasos lashem heferu sorasecha.
Kesef Mishna
Please translate the word HEFERU!
Daas Yochid:
1. Look at Radvaz on that Rambam in Shemita Vyovel where he clearly says the Rambam there is not contradicting his harsh words he says in Talmud Torah about people who make parnassah from Torah rather his intention is the “Lo shevet Levi bilvad” will have Siyata Dishmaya in their work for parnassah and earn enough to free up their time to learn Torah.
2. The point about Rav Moshe in the Tshuva is that he is clearly going with the pashut pshat in the Rambam that the one who learns and works is the HIGHER Madrega and not the other way around.
3. For you to throw such a severe Rambam in the garbage by throwing out a reckless “We don’t pasken like that” is Ziyuf Torah as I said. I wouldn’t exactly compare this Rambam to paskening like Beis Shamai as you are suggesting… A careful reading of the Kesef Mishna you quoted will show the opposite of what you said in his name, all the Kesef Mishna does is defend people who do earn money from Torah Learning.
The Biur Halacha can be understood just as the Kesef Mishna, (although I can see in the words of the Biur Halacha how one can misread them as to be arguing on the Rambam as to what is a higher madrega) merely providing a HETER for those who wish to go AGAINST the Shulchan Aruch and Not got to work.
To go against the simple reading of Rov Rishonim, Tur and Shulchan Aruch along with many Achronim on the basis of your understanding of the Biur Halacha is Megaleh Panim Batorah Shelo Kehalacha.
4. For some reason none of your “Poskim” decided to change the tefillos we say at the most critical and holiest times of the year (Birkas Kohanim, Hotzaas Sefer Torah Yomim Noraim, Birkas habanim Erev Yom Kippur) which ALL ask Hashem at length for blessing in PARNASSAH that will enable Avodas Hashem.
To Daas Yochid:
Your post is complete ZIYUF HATORAH!
1. The Tur and Shulchan Aruch pasken (Orach Chaim 156) explicitly like the Rambam that after davening and learning in the morning one must GO TO WORK.
2. In Igros Moshe Rav Moshe feinstein clearly lays out the Torah Perspective that obviously one who is able to excel at both Talmud Torah and Parnassa Bkavod like the Tannaim an Amoraim is the ideal Oved Hashem and the highest level. Rav Moshe explains the current minhag of many as due to YERIDAS HADOROS and loss of strength to excel at both creating the need for Klal Yisrael splitting into “teams” that each focus more on Learning or Parnassa.
RAV MOSHE DID NOT ONLY NOT MISS THE PROOFS OF THE RAMBAM BUT EXPLAINS THEM AS IS WITHOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THE TORAH AS YOU ARE.
3. To AriHalevi:
LEARN CHOVOS HALEVAVOS AND STOP CARING WHAT RAYKANIM AND POCHAZIM AROUND YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND YOU WILL FIND A SHIDDUCH ONE HUNDRED TIMES BETTER THAN ALL OF THE POOR SOULS AROUND YOU WASTING THEIR LIFE PURSUING GRATIFICATION IN THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
If the Mitzva from the Torah of Shofar was cancelled on the first day of Rosh Hashana bec. of the FEW or even ONE person who might carry daled amos on Shabbos, Kal Vachomer (Chamira sacanta meissura) the Mitzva (which according to some is not even an obligation) of Tefila Betzibur would have been abolished by Sanhedrin today until the danger of gatherings passed.
All the ridiculous attempts at denial of the sick and dead from Covid in front of our eyes by factoring into global death rates and numbers and all the other ridiculous claims are nothing short of and the absolute equivalent of Holocaust Denial.
As long as “Frum” boys and girls schools around the world keep turning away children looking for a Torah education, the Geulah is FAR FAR AWAY.
Until a REAL GADOL arises in Klal Yisroel and stops the spilling of the blood of thousands of innocent jewish boys and girls each year the galus will continue and continue and continue. Anyone who thinks we can keep ignoring THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM in Klal Yisroel is fooling themselves.
Rav Yehoshua ben Gamla is spinning in his grave at how todays generation TRAMPLES on his Takana of a Torah education for each child.