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January 27, 2013 2:42 am at 2:42 am in reply to: Israeli Chareidim moving to chutz la'Aretz? #942146exsoldierMember
health: yes, even in boot camp nachal haredi have their own little base slightly separated from the main base. They most certainly are not forced to listen to women sing as they are never in a position where they will be with women. I fail to see what is so hard to understand.
The ridiculous infamous incident where some soldiers were told that they had to listen to women sing was an example of a mountain being made of a mole hill by some idiot on a course for officers. I highly doubt that nachal haredi was involved and you can certainly not judge the army based on such an incident.
As for ya’harog val ya’avor, when the army forces someone to serve idols, commit adultery/incest, kill an innocent person not posing a threat or cause one of the public specific types of relevant chilul haShem, then we will have something to talk about. Until, then, if someone is attacking me or those under my protection I will kill to defend, army or not.
I find it ironic that there are religious jews who are publicaly anti-israel, the country that today represents jews to the whole world, and cause a huge public chilul haShem – something that could perhaps be considered ya’harog val yavor.January 25, 2013 10:56 am at 10:56 am in reply to: Israeli Chareidim moving to chutz la'Aretz? #942131exsoldierMember
@akuperma: I don’t know what nonsense you have been told about the army giving people choices between praying and having breakfast. I was actually in the army and it is the complete opposite. The seculars respect religious people and the norm is that whilst they do the morning cleanup,the religious soldiers go and daven with a minyan.
If you go to nachal haredi there are no females on your bases and most people there are also religious.
Don’t spread lies about how the army treats religious people; I seem to remember that lying is against the halacha. Before you start accusing organisations of creating ‘spiritual dangers’ perhaps you should start worrying about yourself.
Also, because according to you the state is ‘treif’, jews shouldn’t defend themselves against non jews? What torah do you follow? Mine says pikuach nefesh trumps all; even if we are in the wrong, the situation today is that we need to defend ourselves against the arabs.
By the way, you may not follow it but there is halachic justification; the ramban clearly states that we have a constant obligation to fight for israel; don’t hold with it or do, but don’t say there is no halachic support.