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  • in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879313
    Soarin
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    Walton137-

    I agree with you that people may ask ridiculous questions about the other family. Though I must say that I receive many phone calls from mothers seeking information and never once been asked the questions you posted…I would be blown away had I been asked those question, as I find them insane and completely irrelevant to the characteristics of a person. Mothers of boys usually do question the weight of the girl they are looking into. The table questions are completely ridiculous and I would never want anyone I know to get into a family like that!

    I believe that the foundation of a happy, successful marriage stems from the middos and haskafah of an individual. Those are the questions that should be asked!!! It’s imperative to question the true essence of a person and the character traits by which they lead their day to day life, hopefully with honesty, integrity, and true empathy towards others. If only people would awaken and realize what’s really important to them in establishing a solid relationship.

    If the decor of one’s home is the focal point of a shidduch, all may be lost, as people have majorly different tastes and opinions. lol

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879263
    Soarin
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    Don’t Worry Be Happy-

    I’m thrilled to hear of the happy ending for the woman after her unfortunate situation. I hear her hesitation in signing the document, (which by no means makes her a gold digger). I am completely disturbed by the boy. What does it mean that he wouldn’t be able to take care of her if things went wrong in the marriage?!? This is what I find completely disturbing in LEGAL prenups!!! The guy could toss out the girl leaving her with nothing?? There are so many intricate details that need to be mentioned in legal prenups in order to make it fair. For ex: The money from their marriage and onward: whose going to get it? Is it split between the two of them or he’s making her sign all her rights to that money too? How about a time limit?- After 15 years of marriage he’s not going to give her anything??!! Looks like he’s the gold digger here!!!! What about in a case where there is children?? There is so many details into making a legal prenup fair and just for both parties. Its these legal prenups that are an issue, if they are not written correctly (as was the issue in the unfortunate situation with my friend just recently). Why can’t these people who are paranoid about their money jut give a halachic prenup where in worst case situations, everything is left up to the Rabbanim in Beis Din to decide. It’s hard enough going into a marriage happily, when your signing documents and worrying about who pays what if you get divorced!!! If people are worried, just give the halachic prenup, don’t worry about divorce, and if a situation does come up it is left in the hands of rabbinical authority to decide the outcome of both parties. These legal prenups may be unfair, and may cause unnecessary rift amongst people if it comes out unfair and insulting to the party receiving it. A time that should be a joyous occasion should not be marred by bitterness and dispute!!!

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879253
    Soarin
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    I just would like to point out that my friend’s prenup was NOT a halachic prenup.

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879252
    Soarin
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    YU has halachic prenups endorsed by the rabbanim mentioned above. I actually reviewed them and think they SHOULD be endorsed. It saves BOTH sides from any horrible situation without making one party feel like trash. It is understandable why some would like to have a prenup signed before marriage, so that their assets are saved in case a situation arises. Yet it has to be done with consideration to the other party. Unfortunately, in my friend’s horrible situation, the prenup was completely unfair and disrespectful to her. Her family was insulted!

    At the end of the day, she is probably better off without them.

    And yes, “Nechomah” I also believe that much of the shidduch crisis may be attributed to crazy parents. Some parents are selfish and completely take over their child’s emotions and tell the child that their broken heart can be mended…. All because of MONEY, an unfair prenup and a unwillingness to work together!!

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879241
    Soarin
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    This prenup actually WAIVERS her rights to the kesubah!!!! And there was basically no alimony in case of divorce (and no time frame either)…no sane person would sign such a document!

    The bride and groom didn’t want to call it off…but the side that demanded the prenup wasn’t going to get it the way they wanted it so they freaked out.

    What do you think of that?????

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879237
    Soarin
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    A friend of mine’s shidduch was called off (luckily before any official engagement!!) because of a RIDICULOUS prenup suggested by one side. Instead of working around trying to make the young couple happy, the side who demanded the prenup was upset at the other side who was insulted from the prenup! (And had the right to be insulted!) Now both individuals are miserable…Is this what Hashem wants from us?

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