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and to top it off, they speak in the name of the torah, mammesh a bizayon, shomo shamayim.
typical propaganda from nk to justify why they are sitting in america and ignoring the fact that Hashem has started returning Klal yisrael to Ey. Recognizing that they have no excuse, they just sit and talk about how bad the secular jews are, why is this relevant? does it make you feel better about the fact that you are ovdei avoda zara by sitting in chutz laretz instead of coming to EY?
sam 4321
reb moshe was not the only one to write on the subject,
the ramban says chiyuv, the yaavetz says chiyuv, the chazon ish say chiyuv rsz aurbach says acc. to r’ chaim hakohen today it is a chiyuv.
my point was that hakatan quotes things out of context and omits things that don’t support his nk agenda.
Hakatan,
you are doing exactly what the “zionists” you hate so much have done. Both of you seperate the torah from ey, they picked ey and you picked the torah.
The real truth is that ey is an integral part of the torah.
A small example of how you are in denial about ey, you claim that the best case scenario is that it is an optional mitzvah, however the ramban says chiyuv, the yaavetz says chiyuv, the chazon ish say chiyuv.
whenever you are confronted with this, you immediately change the topic to how bad the zionists are.
hakatan,
answer the following question, Is it a mitzvah to live in EY today or not? what does Hashem want?
you seem to claim that you know what all the rabbonim hold, so you should have no problem answering this simple straightforward question.