Project Veritas released a video Monday evening purporting to show three employees of Pfizer saying that antibodies lead to equal, if not better, protection against the virus compared to the vaccine.
“When somebody is naturally immune — like they got COVID — they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus,” says Nick Karl, Pfizer Scientist. “So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”
Chris Croce, a Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist, said, “You’re protected for longer” if you have natural COVID antibodies compared to the COVID vaccine…I work for an evil corporation…Our organization is run on COVID money.”
Veritas Journalist: “So, I am well-protected [with antibodies]?”
Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “Yeah.”
Veritas Journalist: “Like as much as the vaccine?”
Croce: “Probably more.”
Veritas Journalist: “How so? Like, how much more?”
Croce: “You’re protected most likely for longer since there was a natural response.”
Croce expressed dismay with his company’s direction and moral compass:
Veritas Journalist: “So, what happened to the monoclonal antibody treatments?”
Croce: “[It got] pushed to the side.”
Veritas Journalist: “Why?”
Croce: “Money. It’s disgusting.”
Croce: “I still feel like I work for an evil corporation because it comes down to profits in the end. I mean, I’m there to help people, not to make millions and millions of dollars. So, I mean, that’s the moral dilemma.”
Veritas Journalist: “Isn’t it billions and billions?”
Croce: “I’m trying to be nice.”
Veritas Journalist: “No, I hear you. I hear you. I do. I mean, I’ll still give you a hard time about it.”
Croce: “Basically, our organization is run on COVID money now.”
Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O’Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Wikipedia
I’m not sure really what the difference is. I mean the last time most of us had Corona was over a year ago at which point most agree that it is rare to still have a high level of antibodies, and if so it is still necessary to take the vaccine to be fully protected.
And it’s not worth getting re-infected with Corona in order to get the natural antibodies even if they are better because you will be risking hospitalization if you are over the age of forty.
And by the way, Kudos to YWN for posting this kind of stuff even though they in general support vaccinations.
I still prefer to avoid getting sick by getting vaccinated. Same as with Polio, Measles, Mumps, Chickenpox etc
The risks of Covid are far greater than the current vaccines. Chacham Aynayim BeRosho.
MDA-CLE is hired by the LEFT to openly lie about anything that goes against the communists leftists.
There are TONS of proof to back up everything in the TRUE video which is tested by professionals for authenticity.
Did you know that the CEO of Pfizer did NOT take the shot?
MDA-CLE = Left wing troll. haha
HaShem could tell us directly no to get theses vaccines and there would still be detractors.
Can you please take this down? It is anti-vaxx propaganda which doesn’t really say anything too mind blowing. I’m not sure why this is a ‘shock video’, and it is just meant to create vaccine fear.
Pfizer has been forced to pay billions in injury damages – once they were caught in the past poisoning the unsuspecting with other toxic allopathic patent medicines.
Even Rockefeller knew that allopathy wasn’t really an answer other than for the patent profits involved –– JD Rockefeller, Sr. told his son not to belittle the homeopaths – where he had placed his own faith in medical perspectives for himself.
Now we know lasts yr..next yr will know if lasts two. Vaccinated and recovered are both getting reinfected. Hopefully both with low hospitality rate and low death rate. But we dont know because they dont talk abt recovered patients.only vaccinated. So until the vaccines get improved with less break through cases i dont understand why there isnt full transparancy for recovered patients. Im not talking about vaccine for ppl who never had only if vaccine not perfect then why should recovered patients tske it and risk sode affects however low or minor they may be. Recovered patients have natural protection. As soon as vaccines are proven better well do it. But by not being transparent abt recovered pts theyre not convincing anyone
What are you showing this for? Covid kills. Over 700,000 Americans and counting. Vaccines protect from the severe forms of the disease.
Very misleading! This information is nothing new, quite obvious and not being hidden. A recent study out of Israel also showed that people who recover from covid have better protection against breakthrough infections.
That being said to obtain such protection you would have to catch covid first which would put you at a risk of between 32-65 times (depending on your age) greater of developing serious illness than someone who is triple vaccinated (according to latest Israeli data). This is why it is better to get vaccinated than to try and get natural protection by catching the virus first.
It is the same with any vaccine it is not the company being evil. For example getting polio would also give you better protection against reinfection than the vaccine. No one however would tell you that is better to get polio than to get the vaccine for polio.
As to monoclonal antibody treatments they can help but have a lower success rate than vaccines. They reduced serious illness by 70 percent while vaccines reduce by as much as 98.5% (in people over 60 latest numbers show vaccinated people are 65 times less likely to get seriously ill). Even when they do help, it is only if they are administered early enough, and not everyone seeks treatment early enough. They are also very expensive, and therefore could not be given to everyone that gets infected.
Get a life… what fake news. The title of the article makes it sound like a new breakthrough… who doesn’t know that the immunity that hashem will make naturally is better than anything man can make… the question is the possible health risk getting covid which the vaccination reduces. Im sorry if “Yeshiva’ world news objects but Reb Chaim Kanievsky says its a matana from shomayim.. Im dsicusted by your blatant one sided article heading… if you wnat to push the antivaccers agenda =- at least do it honestly
What is needed also is work on natural ways of enhancing immunity, Quercitin etc, and how effective they are relative to the vaccines.
MDA-CLE, you are a liar and a rosho. Project Veritas has a long history of exposing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Anyone who accuses it of “deceptive editing” is a FILTHY LIAR and should burn in gehenom. Of course it edits videos — that’s completely normal; it’s what you’re supposed to do, and there is no journalist who doesn’t. But unlike everyone else, Veritas posts the full unedited video as well, so anyone can check whether the edited version accurately reflects the original. And of course it always does, which is NOT the case for most so-called “journalists”.
@ Doing My Best –
1) Remember when they said (naturally acquired) antibodies lasted 3 – 4 months, then 5, then 6 – 7?
2) Many people are now reporting that they still have high levels of antibodies 18 months later! That is because re-exposure to the virus (or its variants) bring about an immune response which produce the anti-bodies again.
3) Even when antibody levels are very low, special T-Cells “know” how to produce them again once the individual with natural immunity is exposed again to the virus.
4) It is logical that a vaccine produced using only parts of the spike-protein of one variant will NOT be as effective as immunity created by exposure to the entire virus.
DMB, you have it backwards. The immunity from having had the disease is very long-lasting. Much longer than a year. Whereas the vaccine barely lasts six months.
@ Ohevet Yisroel – Based on what I have been reading
1) It seems the overwhelming evidence is that getting sick today has very few risks – almost no deaths, few ICU patients, and many, many mild or symptomless cases.
2) 90 – 98 % of the serious cases of covid (including hospitalizations and deaths) are from the UN-vaccinated and/or never previously infected people.
This is indeed shocking. But only if you haven’t been paying attention to current research, much of which has been reported basically everywhere. Yes, studies have shown that those who recover from covid typically have more antibodies than those who have only taken the vaccine. But why wait to get sick (and have “only” a 1% chance of dying) to get lots of antibodies when you can take a relatively safe vaccine (from which less than 0.001% of people have become seriously sick) to get a little less of the antibodies? It’s like saying that those who survive a car crash have greater emunah than those who “only” learned mesilas yesharim. Most people will still choose to learn mesilas yesharim than get into a crash, even if their chances of dying are “only” 1%.
Also, it’s inaccurate to write, “… saying that antibodies lead to equal, if not better, protection against the virus compared to the vaccine.” The vaccine pushes the body to create antibodies!!! That’s the whole point!!! Modern medicine can get the body to create antibodies without having to be actually sick!!!
so they just destroyed the lives of the poor scientists
If anybody does C”V get infected, whether you’re vaccinated or not, whether you already had covid or not, i would like to inform the Oylum that i spent a total of over 110 hours investigating Hydroxychloroquine.
Online, and by interviewing doctors.
It works wonders.
(Don’t pay attention to the studies that resulted in failure. You can see they omitted the necessary zinc, and or conducted the trials late-stage.)
But remember, it works fabulously well only if taken within 3-5 days of symptoms (6-7 days at the most) and it MUST be combined with zinc.
You can google the correct dosages.
It works for any variant/strain.
It works well regardless of comorbidities. (aka “preexisting underlying health problems”.)
The combo (Hydroxy and zinc) simply prevents the virus from replicating/multiplying. So the virus cannot become numerous enough to do any real damage.
And all strains replicate the same way.
In most cases you can feel a significant improvement within 2 or 3 days.
And if you began taking it within 2 or 3 days of symptoms, you will likely be up and about before the week is over.
And btw, according to the FDA, this drug has been around for about 65 years, and has a safety record similar to Tylenol.
I have not investigated Ivermectin.
It is probably good too (with the zinc) but i can’t weigh in on it.
So basically what there saying is , that the wool that is being pulled over our eyes by the CDC is 50% polyester .
Wikipedia is totally left-wing and anti-anything conservative.
Project Veritas is not far right, they are conservative, and they have won multiple lawsuits against anyone claiming that they edit videos and say anything false.
Their entire reputation is based on their complete honesty, and they have the most powerful enemies (NY Times, Facebook etc) trying to destroy their reputation, to no avail.
Do you think they would deceptively edit videos that are harmful to Pfizer, a multi-billion dollar company that could crush them like a bug?
If you do believe that, you need medication stronger than the Covid vaccine
I and my family never got Covid BH and also did not take any vax. We just stayed indoors at the time of the corona high point. I’m beginning to think the anti Vaccers have a point. So many rabbonim came out against the vax. It’s a money making gimmick.
This doesn’t help people who are high risk and can’t afford to “just catch the virus and get it over with .”
It seems to be true that antibodies after the disease give a longer level of protection than the vaccine but ….. The but is if you are still alive. Millions of unvaccinated people have died from COVID. I would prefer to have a marginally lower level of protection going forward but be alive than take the risk to have a theoretically higher level of antibodies but be dead. I imagine most people think the same way.
The science suggests it may well be true that antibodies after the disease give a longer level of protection than the vaccine but ….. The but is if you are still alive. Millions of unvaccinated people have died from COVID. I would prefer to have a marginally lower level of protection going forward but be alive than be a hero with a marginally higher level of antibodies but be dead. From the numbers of people who have been voluntarily vaccinated, it seems most people think the same way.
@MDA-CLE you’re lying. You and the left with the corrupt media, just smear people they don’t agree with. You made up a claim
Wikipedia is a platform controlled and edited mainly by far left activist, Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for anything, just because some lefty volunteer editor wrote that they edit videos doesn’t make it true.
Frankly, I love the way, you come across something you don’t like, off to Wikipedia, a mainstream site to read some leftist telling you, ‘don’t worry my dear’ they’re just far right and are editing videos to discredit mainstream media/ourselves, nothing to see here, just move on!
But people are dying from covid not the vaccine, so relying on people catching it before starting treatment is idiotic. If you feel like you’ve been sucked in to alt right conspiracy peddling trump worshiping circles it’s not too late to come back to yiddishkeit, there is no conspiracy, these experts don’t need YWN’s help in fighting the pandemic. Grow up.
1) How do we know this is real?
2) Multiple studies show this is incorrect
3) It’s not about antibodies and it is about celluar immune response.
Sorry I missed something – Why would I take the chance of being on a ventilator, or maybe needing an ECMO machine or simply dying (or at the very best loosing my taste and smell), when I can take a 10 sec. jab every 6 months and not even get sick.
I suggest that all these pristine naturalists who don”t want any artifical substance in their bodies book a flight to Mars as soon as they are available …
I’m not sure what’s so shocking about this video. It’s not a novel idea that natural immunity may be stronger than the vaccine.
The only part that was a surprise to me was the claim about a study into possibly causing heart attacks. But I think I’ve heard about that as well, but the way it is presented doesn’t sound very good.
Either way; I feel comfortable knowing that the greatest gedolim have publicly vaccinated. R’ Chaim Kanievsky, R’ Gershon Edelstein among others. They are our generations leaders, here for us to follow.
Shouldn’t you be giving a source for saying that the vaccine is superior to having had Covid-19. From what I can see it is only politicians (who probably flunked science in high school, forcing to go to law school and become politicians) who are claiming the vaccine offers superior protection
Obviously everyone already knows that if you got the virus you don’t need the vaccine. It’s for people who didn’t get the virus and don’t want to get sick. So no news here and certainly no shock
MDA, if you believe that the recorded audio and video was edited then you are simply a sheep. Look at the lips moving in the video, they are saying exactly what you hear on the audio.
That the entire video was edited is not unusual, every video produced today is edited, certainly those produced by the pharmaceutical companies, the media, and the government. In this case, no one is interested in long conversational talks, they simply cut out the relevent parts and there’s nothing deceptive here.The mainstream media and the “progressives” have discredited themselves by continously lying about science.
Not sure what the shock is…you dont have to be a scientist to know that natural antibodies are better than ones gotten from vaccine. The argument for vaccine was never that its a better protector but that its safer to get covid with vaccine than getting covid without the vaccine.
While perhaps accurate, it is still necessary for the vaccine. Namely for those who didnt yet get COVID.
O’keefe Does an important job. But he is implicit in the same deeds he is accusing others of.
So for clarity sake here are 3 major takeaways from this video
1) The scientists BELIEVE THE VACCINE WORKS
2) THE VACCINE IS SAFE!
3) Oh, and, to the point that O’Keefe is trying to make, if you have natural antibodies, you probably dont need the vaccine.
Regarding giving vaccines to those already immune, I missed the part where that is Pfizers policy as opposed to the CDC. Barring assertion his lambasting of Pfizer is no more than regular journalistic “integrity”.
What’s shocking about it?
Everyone knows these facts.
Loosing natural antibodies does not mean you are not protected, there us also t cell immunity. We all know that vaccine antibodies are very different than natural antibodies, no one even claims that the vaccine antibodies prevent transmission. While natural antibodies definitely do prevent transmission. All the vaccinated people are getting corona, these are not rare “breakthrough cases”, it is the norm. The few people I know who got the vaccine after having corona, all Saif the vaccine made them way sicker than the desease.
It’s not shocking at all. If a person gets sick and if they recover, they develop good immunity – yes, IF they recover. The good immunity is dependent on them recovering!
Since Covid is so deadly, it’s not worth grappling with the disease in the hopes of somewhat better immunity. It is better to get vaccinated and NOT battle the disease at all.
Doing my best reply
That’s not true once you fought covid you have anti bodies according to a Harvard
studyy and insreali study, even if you get it your body will always remember how to fight it
Do you think those Pfizer workers didn’t say what are shown to have said? Highly unlikely. And if so you should expect them to come out with that. But they won’t because they said that. What you cite from Wikipedia is of course what they need to respond in the face of the very serious and credible claims and proofs. Project Veritas has exposed lies of the mainstream media, but that won’t make them suddenly stop lying.
Doing my best
If someone had Covid in the recent enough past they shouldn’t be compelled to get the vaccine, but they are being so compelled through various deceptive and bully tactics. So that’s evil.
Additionally, this exposes the fact that while they themselves are looking into the possibility of serious risks of Myocarditis etc, meaning that they haven’t yet determined that it’s safe, and if the tests come back confirming this they will pull it from the market, and yet they forcefully push it now claiming it’s proven safe, and they don’t disclose any risks. That’s evil.
This is not really a shock if you look at the recent data. Big study recently done in Israel showed that even if you had Covid at the beginning of the outbreak and never got vaccinated you still were over 7 times less likely to get symptomatic Covid again vs being fully vaccinated (484 breakthrough cases vs 68 previously infected cases). If you had Covid in Jan or Feb that number is about 13 times (238 breakthrough vs 19 previously infected).
This is also all with the Delta strain being the dominant one.
Now, that doesnt mean that you shouldnt get vaccinated. For most people the risk of Covid (even if it is low) is higher than the risk of the vaccine. For children I’m not sure the risk/reward favors the vaccine.
Whether you believe in the vaccine or not is irrelevant to what the video’s message is. The point is that the covid vaccines cannot be mandated, period. These are not thoroughly tested, people who got covid are already immune and it has been proven to be dangerous for young people and children.
The government has absolutely no right to mandate these vaccines on everyone. Anyone who naturally got the mumps, measles and chicken pox does not not get the vaccine. If they tested positive to have had these diseases, or any viral disease, they are exempt from vaccination for that particular disease, so why in this case is it different? Even if the antibody level has been reduced over time in those who got covid, there’s still the memory t and b cells ( that are not produced when taking the covid vaccine which is one of the reasons the vaccine is inferior to natural immunity) which will fight the covid virus.
The covid vaccine has been proven to be unsafe for young adults and children and those with compromised immune system. The long-term affects has not been studied at all.
So the bottom line is that the government has no right to push this on the people. It is against the constitution and a violation of human rights.
Many people surprised about this “shock video” being posted on YWN. You haven’t realized yet that YWN is just like Phizer and will post anything that will generate commotion and clicks regardless of wether it is good for the community or not. You shouldn’t be surprised next time you come across something like this or another Loud Lashon Hora headline.
I don’t know about you, but something tells me that a tattoo-covered slacker wearing a tank top and shoving cake down his throat is probably not the most reliable source of information on the efficacy and effects of mRNA vaccines.
Wow how many people on this thing are dumb as a rock- no one wanted you to go catch covid instead of taking the vaccine you idiots, the problem is that if you already had covid you have no need for the vaccine and yet you’re still being forced into taking it. You guys who viciously attack anything against the vaccine sound like such a bunch of brainwashed sheep…when you see people commenting word for word the phrases they’re saying all day long on the news and in ads you know there’s a problem
The main issue is that, now that we know that the vaccine loses its efficacy rapidly (Pfizer admitted this fact before this video was publicized) are they going to mandate testing of the vaccinated to see ones antibody rate, just as they require in other countries for those who have natural immunity?
You can make 10 grand for finding a single deceptive edit in any Project Veritas video
People who got the vaccine are still getting covid, so what’s the solution? To just keep forcing vaccines that have no long-term safety data on healthy, already vaccinated people (yes I am vaccinated), year after year, for a disease with a 1.5% death rate? Has nobody thought that maybe vaccine manufacturers purposely made a vaccine that quickly loses efficacy so that people would think they need booster shots, thereby giving the vaccine manufacturers more billions? Or that, as the video says, the reason other possible treatments for covid get immediately laughed off as pseudoscience and not given a fair trial is because if there are other treatments for covid they can’t terrify people into continuing to get their vaccines?
Im wondering why these “whistleblowers” went to project veritas and not congress (like the woman from facebook).