MK (Bayit Yehudi) Nissim Slomiansky explains he felt compelled to comment on the words of Rosh Yeshivat Porat Yosef HaRav Sholom Cohen Shlita, who labeled the entire dati leumi community “Amalek”. He later clarified his statement to say he was referring to the leaders of Bayit Hayehudi.
Slomiansky reports he is being inundated by a wave of responses from members of the community, most pained and outraged over the harsh words, especially now, during the Nine Days. “Now I understand why the Beis HaMikdash was destroyed and even more, why it is not being rebuilt”.
Slomiansky admits that he simply does not get it, for he feels that we “must engage in ahavas chinam, not sinas chinam, and this is what our tzibur is focused upon.”
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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this is a load of balony, i’ve sat in many a time on lectures given by dati leumi rabonim and they had no problem expressing there dislike for the charedi tzibbur.
hippocrites!!!!!!!!.
He is right.
“Now I understand why the Beis HaMikdash was destroyed and even more, why it is not being rebuilt”
Wow! I never knew Nissim was a Navi! Why hasn’t he come out of hiding earlier? Kllal Yisroel can use his leadership! Without the Choshen, we need Slomiansky to lead us thru this bitterah galus!
i have always been taught to have great respect for our roshei yeshivos
it does seem that words of sinah are coming specifically from our leaders
this leaves me feeling sad and dejected about our future
how about as a start for ahavas chinam
dont force people to do what they dont want to do
What a hypocrite. We must engage in ahavas chinam, but the chevre of Bayit Yehudi and cronies institute and support all the laws based on hatred towards the chareidim. I presume they don’t class that under sinas “chinam”. They are right. They will have to pay a huge prize for their sinah!
“Now I understand why the Beis HaMikdash was destroyed and even more, why it is not being rebuilt”
It is because of people such as those sitting behind their desks at YWN who decide to put out articles such as these which also cause comments such as the ones made above.
Sad.
Talmud student: dislike, yes. Amalek, never.
Coffee addict, so if someone does not want to drive within the speed limit or pay taxes or go to the army where there is a draft, it is not nice to force them to do those things? How about MO and frei bochurim deciding they don’t want to serve, also — don’t force them?
Imanonov, have you ever thought that some of the ta’anos the frei have are fair ones? Hatred? A part of it was brought upon the Chareidim by their own behavior.
#3(Joe), he quoted a befeirushe Chazal.
Saying Musar is not sinas chinam.
I said kinos yesterday, and many times it claims that Jews didn’t listen to the Nevi’im giving musar.
Religious Zionism was a Churban for klal yisroel, it was a pathway for millions of Jews to go OTD. I’m not in the name calling business, but I’m not disagreeing with his statement.
“Ask not not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country”.
I think I know who killed Kennedy!
“Get a job and serve and protect your country”. Yes, those are indeed very hateful words.
#1 You are quite inaccurate.
I’ve been for YEARS listening and attending Dvrei Torah & Chizuk by DL/Chardal Rabbonim and there is an almost none mention of the Charedi world besides Geonim, Rosh Yeshiva that they quote in the context of learning.
Read over the last 10 years of questions & answers of Rav Aviner, tapes of Rav Shapiro & Rav Melamed. There are differences in halacha & hashkafa, yet no name calling of “Chamorim, Avodah Zara, Goyim, Amalek, Lo Maminim”, so you need to pick a different path of disagreement.
He is 100% right. As soon as that vile, nasty comment was made, I knew that the odds of Moshiach coming on T”B were close to 0.
mdd,
are you comparing bachurim not fighting to putting peoples lives in danger
if you really are ill quote the head of the idf “we dont need the chareidim”
regardim your last two, if that was the case then make the arabs join the army (they are israelis)
thirdly if the government tells you to violate shabbos you should do it? (the gedolim specifically say you arent allwed to go to the army)
i would love to hear your answer to these questions
#10(Joe), stop with your lies!! Which millions of Jews going otd because of Religious Zionism? Stop your incindenary lies!
coffee addict, I will jump in. If the government tells me to violate shabbos I may do it (depending on the situation). If there is a fellow fallen soldier in need of care to save his life, I will violate shabbos. If using a walkie talkie in means of advancing protection from Arab attach in an Israeli town, I will violate shabbos. Not all gedolim specifically prohibit joining the army.
C.A., my points were: 1) A country may have a law which someone might not want to follow, but is the fair and right thing to do so; 2) The non-Chareidim feel it is not fair that they have to serve and the Chareidim don’t. To tell them about bittul Torah is a very bad move since the reason for the Chareidim being able to learn is the others paying at least part of the bill!
About the Arabs — you are right. They are preparing a national service path for them. But it appears particularly unfair if one Yitzchak has to serve when another Yitzchak does not.
Plus, C.A., there is a difference between an order to mechalel Shabbos and service in a Chareidi unit!
CA-
Correct me if I’m wrong, but many Charedim Gedolim do not forbid going to the army. They just don’t think there should be a draft. They believe that if a person wants to keep on learning, he should be able to without being forced into the army. But if a person decided learning isn’t for him, or that his family needs parnassah (and just like he’s allowed to stop learning to get a job he would also be allowed to stop learning to go to the army which in Medinas Yisroel is a prerequisite to getting a job) then he can go willingly.
In summary, I don’t think most Gedolim forbade going to the army voluntarily, I think they argue with the government’s policy of forcing people into the army. And since the army isn’t inherently assur, I don’t think you can compare it to the government forcing you to do something inherently assur (like violating Shabbos).
To Jewishflorida,
“coffee addict, I will jump in. If the government tells me to violate shabbos I may do it (depending on the situation). If there is a fellow fallen soldier in need of care to save his life, I will violate shabbos. If using a walkie talkie in means of advancing protection from Arab attach in an Israeli town, I will violate shabbos.”
we’re talking about bachurim here who don’t even know how to save money let alone someone else’s life
secondly (and a big secondly at that) if it’s efshar la’asos al yadei acheirim (other people can do it) the halacha is they save the life and you learn Torah
“Not all gedolim specifically prohibit joining the army.”
Most hold that way, are you going to pick who a person follows just as long as it conforms to your viewpoint (we go according to majority)
To mdd,
C.A., my points were: 1) A country may have a law which someone might not want to follow, but is the fair and right thing to do so
Most Gedolim say it’s assur even a chareidi unit so they are the deciders on whats right and not.
“2) The non-Chareidim feel it is not fair that they have to serve and the Chareidim don’t. To tell them about bittul Torah is a very bad move since the reason for the Chareidim being able to learn is the others paying at least part of the bill!”
this is the sad state Israel lives in, the chilonim are upset that they have to serve, they don’t consider it an honor to serve (please don’t say “what about the chareidim” the way they serve is by learning torah, even if you don’t think the torah is what is saving EY) they consider it a burden to serve
Here in America we hold Army veterans and soldiers in high esteem and it’s a big kavod, we don’t force people to serve rather we shower praise on those that serve and show them that it’s commendable what they are doing
your last point of being mechalel shabbos or serving in a chareidi unit (especially where they force them to listen to kol eesha) yes kol eesha is assur
don’t get me wrong, if the IDF implemented changes far greater than Nachal Chareidi, and an option to learn CPR and save people, and it was done with the gedolims approval I wouldn’t protest
#19 U are correct.
Past Gedolim (Rav Schwartzman, Rav Shmuelvitz, Rav Shach, Rav Kahanaman, Rav Sarno) advised averechim that were finished with FULL TIME LEARNING to enlist in Shlav B of IDF – which was/is a 4 month program of serving.
So many of you are either under the age of 40 or not aware of any history of the country and just digest (fish with bait) all that is thrown in your face.
simcha613,
you are right
this case reminds me of something i saw in the hamodia about (sorry i cant remember who) forcing jews to change their clothes which isnt assur yet the chassidim didnt like it
CA-
But there still is a difference. While the Chassidim recognize it’s not halachically assur, changing clothes is something they don’t want any of their people to do. Regardless of whether the individual chooses to do it or not It’s objectively something problematic (for them). The army is not objectively problematic. The Charedi Rabbonim don’t have an issue with people choosing to go to the army, they just have a problem with government forcing people to do it.