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  • #1068140

    Chacham
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    sorry I`m so late but at the beginning it said WITH answers

    #1068141

    can you please tell us the answer with the reasoning please chacham?

    #1068142

    Chacham
    Participant

    A—I DID NOT KILL HIM; I DON’T KNOW WHO DID KILL HIM

    B—I DID NOT KILL HIM; I WAS NOT AT THE MURDER

    C—I DID NOT KILL HIM; ‘A’ WAS NOT WITH ME ATTHE MURDER.

    D—I DID NOT KILL HIM; ‘A’ IS SAYING THE COMPLETE TRUTH.

    remember 1 liar 1truth 2 half

    1murderer 1witness 1guy who knows who did it 1 innocent

    step number 1. there is only one statement that is true in the second statements.

    since there is only one complete truth, everyone must use their truths to make themselves not the murderer. the complete liar is naturally the murderer.

    2. with this explained ‘d’ second statement can not be true since he is saying ‘a’ is the complete truth. therefore it is false and ‘a’ is not saying the complete truth—meaning he is one of the halfs. so we no d is saying at least one lie and a is also.

    3. naturally ‘a’ is saying the first truth and second false since only the complete false is the murderer.

    4. going back to ‘d’ if his first statement is false [murdered] than it will come out either b or c is lying on the second statement [their first statements are true since ‘d’ is the murderer] now no matter how you put ‘c’ true or false he is still the witness. just the matter is whether a is there or not.

    so if c is lying there will be two witnesses a and c so that can not be.

    and if b is lying than b was there and c still has to be there so it can not be d

    5.so d must be true on the first and false on the second and a is true on the first false on the second–meaning he is the guy who knows who did it.

    6. so we have left a complete liar and complete truth.

    now if b is truth and c is lie it will be some sort of answer but we will never find out who knows- it cannot be ‘a’ since he is the witness and ‘c’ is not the witness since he is the murderer.

    so we will never know who knows and i wrote their will be a definite answer.

    7.now if c is true and ‘d’ is false everything works out.

    a true lie knows who did it.

    b false false–murderer

    c true true– witness

    d true false-innocent

    this is the only way it works

    there is one big hint in this riddle about who knows… ‘a’ is the only one who talks about knowing and since we are not just making assumptions it must be him

    you chap?!?!?!?!

    #1068143

    oomis
    Participant

    I have such a headache….

    #1068144

    brooklyn19
    Participant

    lol now you understand what “da’asan kalos” means

    #1068145

    xerox
    Member

    oomis- Imo anochi batzarah! :ol (sorry don’t know how to spell that in english!)

    #1068146

    thanks so much! it is very logical… I used the same logic about the half truths making everyone innocent, but still messed up somewhere…keep em coming!

    #1068147

    juda
    Member

    what food can aperson eat that will ake it assur for him to eat milchigs flieshigs and even anything parve

    #1068148

    what food can someone eat that makes it forbidden for him to eat milchigs or fleishigs but he can eat parve?

    #1068149

    moish01
    Member

    meat and milk with aged cheese?

    #1068151

    squeak
    Participant

    give the guy a ribbon for his sense of humor!

    #1068152

    anonymisss
    Participant

    man, this stuff is way over my head

    ~a~

    #1068153

    moish01
    Member

    i think i’m hallucinating. and i swear i don’t do drugs.

    #1068154

    anonymisss
    Participant

    I think I’m best off staying far, far away from this thread. It’s making me dizzy.

    ~a~

    #1068155

    moishe- your right in a way.. the question was posed to a friend in school… what happens when you eat meat, and then realize that you ate aged cheese a little bit before.. then you are in a weird state where you cant eat either milk or meat!

    #1068156

    moish01
    Member

    oh i was thinking “big-mac”

    #1068157

    I guess that would work, but then why would you care about how many hours you are in between meat and milk? and would treif count? I am not sure…

    #1068158

    moish01
    Member

    well your way is not exactly the most kosher either… and say the burger is kosher meat.

    #1068159

    Curious
    Member

    Just eat the pareve razzle, all problems solved.

    #1068160

    oomis
    Participant

    Just eat the pareve razzle, all problems solved.

    Just have some cake. That solves EVERYONE’S problems!

    #1068161

    moish01
    Member

    who eats parve anything? it’s either gotta be pizza or steak! (or CHULENT!) but the parve stuff is just not worth the effort it takes to chew.

    #1068162

    qwertyuiop
    Member

    parve chocolate is the worst.$

    #1068163

    Curious
    Member

    Razzles do not need to be chewed!! But yes, the milchig version is far better.

    I was just trying to solve her “being in a state of treifness” dilemma.

    #1068164

    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    moish01: i so agree that parve stuff is just not worth the effort it takes to chew!!! your cousin brook says she’s addicted to parve chocolate-i was like gross who even bothers to buy that stuff!!!(then she said she’s allergic to dairy!!)

    #1068165

    RoshYeshivah
    Member

    moish: i’m with you on that pareve stuff!

    #1068166

    moish01
    Member

    ugh i know. anyway, who’s up for a milkshake now at 1:30am? MOISH!!!!!! (that was for asdfghjkl)

    #1068167

    juda
    Member

    8 birds are sitting on a fence 3 sharp sooters take aim & shoot a single shot at diffrent birds simaltainiously how many birds are left on the fence?

    #1068168

    none- they all flew away…

    #1068169

    Curious
    Member

    none.

    #1068170

    moish01
    Member

    all 8. (unless they all flew away when they heard the gunshots)

    #1068171

    squeak
    Participant

    No birds are left.

    Moish – your example with the BigMac is worse (in Halacha) than the other example. A cheeseburger is an example of Milk and Meat that is prohibited by the Torah outright (because the meat and milk is cooked together). Having milk a half hour after meat, or even at the same meal if it is cold, is prohibited by the Rabbonon. Practically, it makes no difference (because both are prohibited), but it is good to know the difference.

    #1068172

    moish01
    Member

    you think they’re really cooked together? i’ll bet they take a warm burger, put a slice of cheese on it and hand it to the customer. or does that count as cooking? anyway who cares

    #1068173

    squeak
    Participant

    Is that how it’s done? I don’t really know the reality of it, but in all the ads it shows a burger sizzling on the grill (or right off it) and a disembodied hand placing a slice of cheese on it….

    #1068174

    moish01
    Member

    somehow i can’t imagine them spending too much time or effort in making fast-food. but i don’t know – i’m not exactly a BigMac fan.

    #1068175

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I don’t know first hand how its made, but the burger is over yad soledet bo and will cook the cheese once placed on the hamburger. The cheese melts (at least according to the commercials because it slightly drips down).

    Why can’t you eat dairy after aged cheese? Are you talking about camembert or brie or others like that?

    #1068176

    moish01
    Member

    sjs – i do riddles not halacha. i have no clue.

    #1068177

    squeak
    Participant

    SJS, it is meat that you cannot eat after eating hard cheese. See the Pischei Halacha for the reason and what is considered hard cheese (not most cheeses that we eat).

    #1068178

    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    moish01: ha nice one with milkshakes at 1:30am!!!

    #1068179

    moish01
    Member

    asdfghjkl – yeah i was downstairs and i had to make the trip down worthwhile (even though i was down for hours) i’m deciding if i should have one now or wait till later. or maybe i’ll just have two of them…

    #1068180

    So whats with the birds- I still say none are there because they all flew away and it is hard to hit a flying bird in one shot…

    by the way, whats a razzle?

    #1068181

    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    havesomeseichel- a razzle is one of the necessities of life- oxygen, food, shelter, razzle. It can be obtained in most brooklyn ice cream stores

    #1068182

    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    moish01: did ya get the milkshake or not in the end??? that would make the trip down worth it!!! make me a vanilla one please!!!

    #1068183

    What about those of us not from NY? There is life outside NY, so then it cant be a necessity of life…

    But if I ever make it to NY, where can I find one?

    #1068184

    moish01
    Member

    of course i got a milkshake. i’ve been doing 2 a day and they gotta be with both mint-chip and chocolate ice cream

    #1068185

    beacon
    Participant

    I never had a razzle either! maybe because Carvel doesn’t carry them? I have to try it

    #1068186

    Joseph
    Participant

    There is life outside NY

    Where?

    #1068187

    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    havesomeseichel: at Sweet choice on Ave L & Nostrand Ave & at their other location on Ave L & Coney Island Ave!!! if you want an even better ice cream go to Sprinkle’s on 18th Ave!!! (mods did i capitalize everything that needed to be capitalized????)

    #1068188

    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    moish01; that sounds yummmy!!!

    #1068190

    teen
    Member

    joseph: There is life outside NY

    Where?

    thats what we call extra terrestrial life forms

    #1068191

    goody613
    Member

    figure this out-Every rule has an exeption besides this one

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