January 8, 2009 12:02 am at 12:02 am #1068140ChachamMember
sorry I`m so late but at the beginning it said WITH answersJanuary 13, 2009 1:19 am at 1:19 am #1068141
can you please tell us the answer with the reasoning please chacham?January 13, 2009 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1068142ChachamParticipant
A—I DID NOT KILL HIM; I DON’T KNOW WHO DID KILL HIM
B—I DID NOT KILL HIM; I WAS NOT AT THE MURDER
C—I DID NOT KILL HIM; ‘A’ WAS NOT WITH ME ATTHE MURDER.
D—I DID NOT KILL HIM; ‘A’ IS SAYING THE COMPLETE TRUTH.
remember 1 liar 1truth 2 half
1murderer 1witness 1guy who knows who did it 1 innocent
step number 1. there is only one statement that is true in the second statements.
since there is only one complete truth, everyone must use their truths to make themselves not the murderer. the complete liar is naturally the murderer.
2. with this explained ‘d’ second statement can not be true since he is saying ‘a’ is the complete truth. therefore it is false and ‘a’ is not saying the complete truth—meaning he is one of the halfs. so we no d is saying at least one lie and a is also.
3. naturally ‘a’ is saying the first truth and second false since only the complete false is the murderer.
4. going back to ‘d’ if his first statement is false [murdered] than it will come out either b or c is lying on the second statement [their first statements are true since ‘d’ is the murderer] now no matter how you put ‘c’ true or false he is still the witness. just the matter is whether a is there or not.
so if c is lying there will be two witnesses a and c so that can not be.
and if b is lying than b was there and c still has to be there so it can not be d
5.so d must be true on the first and false on the second and a is true on the first false on the second–meaning he is the guy who knows who did it.
6. so we have left a complete liar and complete truth.
now if b is truth and c is lie it will be some sort of answer but we will never find out who knows- it cannot be ‘a’ since he is the witness and ‘c’ is not the witness since he is the murderer.
so we will never know who knows and i wrote their will be a definite answer.
7.now if c is true and ‘d’ is false everything works out.
a true lie knows who did it.
b false false–murderer
c true true– witness
d true false-innocent
this is the only way it works
there is one big hint in this riddle about who knows… ‘a’ is the only one who talks about knowing and since we are not just making assumptions it must be him
you chap?!?!?!?!January 14, 2009 4:00 am at 4:00 am #1068143oomisParticipant
I have such a headache….January 14, 2009 4:49 am at 4:49 am #1068144brooklyn19Participant
lol now you understand what “da’asan kalos” meansJanuary 14, 2009 4:54 am at 4:54 am #1068145xeroxMember
oomis- Imo anochi batzarah! :ol (sorry don’t know how to spell that in english!)January 14, 2009 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1068146
thanks so much! it is very logical… I used the same logic about the half truths making everyone innocent, but still messed up somewhere…keep em coming!January 18, 2009 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1068147judaMember
what food can aperson eat that will ake it assur for him to eat milchigs flieshigs and even anything parveJanuary 18, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1068148
what food can someone eat that makes it forbidden for him to eat milchigs or fleishigs but he can eat parve?January 18, 2009 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1068149
meat and milk with aged cheese?January 18, 2009 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1068151
give the guy a ribbon for his sense of humor!January 19, 2009 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1068152anonymisssParticipant
man, this stuff is way over my head
~a~January 19, 2009 1:17 am at 1:17 am #1068153
i think i’m hallucinating. and i swear i don’t do drugs.January 19, 2009 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1068154anonymisssParticipant
I think I’m best off staying far, far away from this thread. It’s making me dizzy.
~a~January 19, 2009 5:02 am at 5:02 am #1068155
moishe- your right in a way.. the question was posed to a friend in school… what happens when you eat meat, and then realize that you ate aged cheese a little bit before.. then you are in a weird state where you cant eat either milk or meat!January 19, 2009 5:21 am at 5:21 am #1068156
oh i was thinking “big-mac”January 19, 2009 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1068157
I guess that would work, but then why would you care about how many hours you are in between meat and milk? and would treif count? I am not sure…January 20, 2009 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1068158
well your way is not exactly the most kosher either… and say the burger is kosher meat.January 20, 2009 4:28 am at 4:28 am #1068159
Just eat the pareve razzle, all problems solved.January 20, 2009 4:57 am at 4:57 am #1068160oomisParticipant
Just eat the pareve razzle, all problems solved.
Just have some cake. That solves EVERYONE’S problems!January 20, 2009 5:04 am at 5:04 am #1068161
who eats parve anything? it’s either gotta be pizza or steak! (or CHULENT!) but the parve stuff is just not worth the effort it takes to chew.January 20, 2009 5:11 am at 5:11 am #1068162qwertyuiopMember
parve chocolate is the worst.$January 20, 2009 5:11 am at 5:11 am #1068163
Razzles do not need to be chewed!! But yes, the milchig version is far better.
I was just trying to solve her “being in a state of treifness” dilemma.January 20, 2009 5:16 am at 5:16 am #1068164
moish01: i so agree that parve stuff is just not worth the effort it takes to chew!!! your cousin brook says she’s addicted to parve chocolate-i was like gross who even bothers to buy that stuff!!!(then she said she’s allergic to dairy!!)January 20, 2009 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1068165RoshYeshivahMember
moish: i’m with you on that pareve stuff!January 20, 2009 6:37 am at 6:37 am #1068166
ugh i know. anyway, who’s up for a milkshake now at 1:30am? MOISH!!!!!! (that was for asdfghjkl)January 20, 2009 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1068167judaMember
8 birds are sitting on a fence 3 sharp sooters take aim & shoot a single shot at diffrent birds simaltainiously how many birds are left on the fence?January 20, 2009 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1068168
none- they all flew away…January 20, 2009 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1068169
none.January 20, 2009 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #1068170
all 8. (unless they all flew away when they heard the gunshots)January 20, 2009 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1068171
No birds are left.
Moish – your example with the BigMac is worse (in Halacha) than the other example. A cheeseburger is an example of Milk and Meat that is prohibited by the Torah outright (because the meat and milk is cooked together). Having milk a half hour after meat, or even at the same meal if it is cold, is prohibited by the Rabbonon. Practically, it makes no difference (because both are prohibited), but it is good to know the difference.January 20, 2009 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1068172
you think they’re really cooked together? i’ll bet they take a warm burger, put a slice of cheese on it and hand it to the customer. or does that count as cooking? anyway who caresJanuary 20, 2009 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1068173
Is that how it’s done? I don’t really know the reality of it, but in all the ads it shows a burger sizzling on the grill (or right off it) and a disembodied hand placing a slice of cheese on it….January 20, 2009 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1068174
somehow i can’t imagine them spending too much time or effort in making fast-food. but i don’t know – i’m not exactly a BigMac fan.January 20, 2009 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #1068175SJSinNYCMember
I don’t know first hand how its made, but the burger is over yad soledet bo and will cook the cheese once placed on the hamburger. The cheese melts (at least according to the commercials because it slightly drips down).
Why can’t you eat dairy after aged cheese? Are you talking about camembert or brie or others like that?January 20, 2009 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1068176
sjs – i do riddles not halacha. i have no clue.January 21, 2009 1:08 am at 1:08 am #1068177
SJS, it is meat that you cannot eat after eating hard cheese. See the Pischei Halacha for the reason and what is considered hard cheese (not most cheeses that we eat).January 21, 2009 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1068178
moish01: ha nice one with milkshakes at 1:30am!!!January 21, 2009 2:04 am at 2:04 am #1068179
asdfghjkl – yeah i was downstairs and i had to make the trip down worthwhile (even though i was down for hours) i’m deciding if i should have one now or wait till later. or maybe i’ll just have two of them…January 21, 2009 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1068180
So whats with the birds- I still say none are there because they all flew away and it is hard to hit a flying bird in one shot…
by the way, whats a razzle?January 21, 2009 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1068181areivimzehlazehParticipant
havesomeseichel- a razzle is one of the necessities of life- oxygen, food, shelter, razzle. It can be obtained in most brooklyn ice cream storesJanuary 21, 2009 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #1068182
moish01: did ya get the milkshake or not in the end??? that would make the trip down worth it!!! make me a vanilla one please!!!January 22, 2009 1:43 am at 1:43 am #1068183
What about those of us not from NY? There is life outside NY, so then it cant be a necessity of life…
But if I ever make it to NY, where can I find one?January 22, 2009 1:53 am at 1:53 am #1068184
of course i got a milkshake. i’ve been doing 2 a day and they gotta be with both mint-chip and chocolate ice creamJanuary 22, 2009 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1068185beaconParticipant
I never had a razzle either! maybe because Carvel doesn’t carry them? I have to try itJanuary 22, 2009 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1068186JosephParticipant
There is life outside NY
Where?January 22, 2009 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1068187
havesomeseichel: at Sweet choice on Ave L & Nostrand Ave & at their other location on Ave L & Coney Island Ave!!! if you want an even better ice cream go to Sprinkle’s on 18th Ave!!! (mods did i capitalize everything that needed to be capitalized????)January 22, 2009 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1068188
moish01; that sounds yummmy!!!January 29, 2009 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1068190teenMember
joseph: There is life outside NY
thats what we call extra terrestrial life formsJanuary 30, 2009 3:37 am at 3:37 am #1068191goody613Member
figure this out-Every rule has an exeption besides this one
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