I never thought women were dumb. But then I read this thread where they are actually bothering to argue about it.
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Why Are Men More Intelligent Than Women?
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Posted 11 months ago #
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You have no right to talk, you troll you. :P
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Whats the big Deal?
It's pretty sad that the secular and certain parts of the religous world have basically become captive to a feminist ideology.
Nevermind the facts on the ground that feminism has basically destroyed the family unit as well as led to the unfortunate situation where women now demonstrate their right to show no self-respec to themselves.
One of the core tragedies of feminism is that it seems to feel that men are better then women and had more fulfilling lives then women and thierfore it is a "womens right" to be the same as a man.
Judaisim teaches that men and women are not just physically different rather they are intrinsically different and each play seperate and distinct roles that together complete the picture.
As such the male brain is wired for the male purpose in life, to enable the male to accomplish the male purpose of life.
The female brain is different as it is wired to enable the female to accomplish the female purpose in life.
Hence men think logically as they are required to learn and fill other logical roles while women hink emotionally as the amazing womanly ability to think emotianally enables her to feel the needs of her family in a way that logic alone cannot.
Hence an iq test has absolutley no real bearing on matters at all.Posted 11 months ago # -
I do not understand... “Why are men more intelligent ....?”
Really!!!
“Studies, science, statistics”
A Funny thought since when is studies, science, and statistics correct....In addition, statically studies are known to be more wrong than right….
Besides that I find this topic offensive… This topic will only cause others to fight and maybe hurt someone…..Posted 11 months ago # -
That statement had to be made by a man. And it is not such an intelligent statement. The real intelligence are from the ones who lets the others feel they are more intelligent.
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Everyone is intelligent!!!
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women have always had to hide their intelligence, a lot of men are nervous of clever women. In some societies women are taught ot appear submissive to make men feel superior, instead of openly showing their intellect a lot of women sadly have learnt to manipulate things in a subtle way.
As for Jews and intelligence, one of my favourite Americans, Mark Twain was a big admirer and recognised the Jewish intellect and power of resilience.
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Because making a sandwich doesn't require that much intelligence.
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@Oomiss: Exactly what my mother taught me......
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"I never thought women were dumb. But then I read this thread where they are actually bothering to argue about it. "
And then I read this thread where men like Popa are posting these oh so witty remarks.
"Oomiss: Exactly what my mother taught me......"
Hi walton157. How are you?
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OOM +1,000,000
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I have totally ignored this thread did not read one post the title is demeaning to 50 percent of the worlds population.
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Why would you think that being a bit less smart than someone else is demeaning?
Would anyone find it demeaning to be told that Rav Moshe Feinstein (or, l'havdil, Albert Einstein) is smarter than them?
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Abe: I can think of someone who would. Telling Steven Hawking that Einstein is smarter than him is demeaning and insulting. So too, stating unequivocally that men are smarter than women is demeaning.
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wanderingchana: lol thanks. ^_^
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keep trying
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Sam: I disagree. Especially if it is true. Or even if it is arguably so. Say someone argued Asians are more intelligent than Africans. I believe that is factual. Someone else can reasonably disagree. Nevertheless, no one should delegitamize the argument or discussion.
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Abe Cohen: When there is a legitimate, unbiased, inherently fair way to judge intelligence then I'll completely agree that there's nothing wrong with saying it on average, which really has nothing to do with any individuals anyway.
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If you want to say that R'Moshe Zt"l or EVEN S.Hawking are smarter than I, I can totally live with that. But when you apply the same statement as a generality to half of the population, I have to question the integrity of the so-called statistics and who their compilers are.
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It is not demeaning to "half the population" this is a classic percentage versus number flaw - not all men are smarter than all women. i happen to disagree with the premise anyway as the iq test is a poor judge of over all intelligence anyway. women are smarter than men in ways that do not show up on iq tests. i could cite many examples of people who tested low on their iq tests who are absolute geniuses - a person who was dyslexic for example would be more likely to test low but would be also just as likely to be as smart if not smarter than you or i. this is just one in a group of many flaws in the test and it is not that well regarded by psychologists or researchers today to be an accurate depiction of a persons intelligence.
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I think anybody believing this theory has to have their head tested. There are so much more intelligent women then men. Women don't tend to brag, act arrogantly or even seek fame anywhere as much as men. Its the way Hashem made it, the men thrive on fame, are motivated by it, without it most men wouldn't do a thing. Its not for nothing that you don't see much women being leaders in klal yisroel, women don't need this element to thrive, their much happier to do it in quieter, more constructive ways.
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What is more constructive than being a leader in Klal Yisroel, if I may dare ask?
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Actually there are studies that show a woman's brain shrinks during pregnancy. I guess due to hormones. But I always thought that was the case anyways, when I started forgetting everything when Pregnant. I think it grows back though. I dont know. Like its just temporary.
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I have no patience or desire to verify the assumption of the OP. However, a difference of 5 points is much less thn the difference between one family and the next.
Another point is that women don't need a higher IQ to win an argument. They do a good job without it.
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The OP made no assumption. Multiple studies were cited (in follow up comments) by various independent academic researchers in different parts of the globe and more can be produced upon demand. No one has thus far cited any opposing scientific research that reaches a different conclusion. A 5 point difference is indeed small but nevertheless significant, with an average IQ score being 100. Additionally, is there any research indicating IQ has any correlation to family, as your comment seems to imply?
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Welcome back, Mr. Mensa...ah, you forgot to respond to this:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-are-men-more-intelligent-than-women#post-386056
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The op made a very big assumption - namely that higher iq = more intelligent.
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OOM: The idea that men's physically larger brains may account for their greater average IQ is an idea cited as a possible explanation by the various academic researchers previously discussed.
The point of this discussion wasn't to tie it in to Yiddishkeit but rather its scientific and academic discussion and research on the subject.
And the title's capitalization was mod edited post-submission of the OP.
jbaldy: Do you have a better method of measuring intelligence? Or do you suppose intelligence cannot be comparatively measured today utilizing current tools?
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tahini -"As for Jews and intelligence, one of my favourite Americans, Mark Twain was a big admirer and recognised the Jewish intellect and power of resilience."
He must have been talking about Jewish males. I never heard of a guy NAMED Mark Twain.
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Csar: Neanderthals (cro-magnons?) have bigger brains than humans. Does that make them smarter (for the sake of this discussion, we'll pretend that they existed in this or some other Gilgul).
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Within human population, studies have been conducted to determine whether there is a relationship between brain size and a number of cognitive measures. Anthropologists and psychometricians found correlations, and modern studies began with Van Valen 1974, which suggested a correlation of 0.3. Jensen & Johnson's 1994 "Race and sex differences in head size and IQ" wrote of the successive literature that:
"In all of the 25 independent studies we have found in the literature, nonzero positive correlations between head measurements and intelligence measurements have been found, all but five with correlations significant beyond the .05 confidence level. The average correlation between various external measures of head size and IQ is close to + .15. Two recent studies have measured brain size per se by means of magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and found correlations with IQ in the .30 to .40 range (Andreasen et al., 1993; Willerman, Schultz, Rutledge, & Bigler, 1991)."
Nguyen & McDaniel's 2000 meta-analysis found similarly, as did McDaniel's 2005 "Big-brained people are smarter: A meta-analysis of the relationship between in vivo brain volume and intelligence":
"...based on 37 samples across 1530 people, the population correlation was estimated at 0.33...For external head measures, Vernon et al. (2000) reported the population correlation between head size and intelligence to be 0.19. Nguyen and McDaniel (2000) reported population correlations from 0.17 to 0.26 for three different sub-categories of external head size measures.
In a study of the head growth of 633 term-born children from the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children cohort, it was shown that prenatal growth and growth during infancy were associated with subsequent IQ. The study’s conclusion was that the brain volume a child achieves by the age of 1 year helps determine later intelligence. Growth in brain volume after infancy may not compensate for poorer earlier growth.
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Gender bias
Social preference for heightBoth subconsciously Inform every human interaction from birth leading to continual subtle and drastic imbalances in opportunity and experience, including developmentally and educationally.
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@Csar iq places a disproportional weight on certain areas of intelligence. statisticians tend to like iq and most others ie psychologists and scientists tend to think it is not nearly as good of a metric as the general populace thinks it is. IQ measures something and it seems to do that reliably but to say it measures overall intelligence is largely unsupported by modern science. I do not know what tools are out as this is not my field so i cant give a definitive answer as to which test might be better.
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IQ is the most researched approach to intelligence and by far the most widely used in practical setting. One of the most notable proponents of the IQ is Linda S. Gottfredson, a scientist and educator who published a highly-regarded article in Scientific American. Gottfredson asserted that "Intelligence as measured by IQ tests is the single most effective predictor known of individual performance at school and on the job."
Another leading figure in the study of intelligence, Dr. Arthur Jensen, Professor Emeritus of educational psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, has created a chart that spells out the practical implications of various IQ scores.
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First of all many statistics are skewed due to bias.
Second: Men are more time to pursue more education than women since it's more important for women to take care of their families then studying to gain more knowledge that they don't need. Of course, if they can do both, or they don't have children, and they want to pursue more knowledge, then they should.
Third: as everyone said, IQ do not necessarily acurately rate a person's intelligence.
Abe Cohen: If kids in a classroom ware made up of two different nationalities - 50% each, and a teacher came in and said kids from one of those nationalies is smarter than the other kids, that would be an insult. Telling the class one kid from the whole class is the smartest, and s/he clearly is, most wouldn't be insulted, maybe a bit jealous, but it's not demeaning - except for those students are are very smart too.
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@Csar you are just proving my point - a person could be great at school or a job and have no social skills and not remember where they left their glasses the night before. i agree that iq is a valid tool i just dont think it measures over all intelligence. see my previous comment about dyslexia which you still havent answered.
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And now according to the latest testing women have actually overtaken men in IQ scores.
Posted 10 months ago # -
The story says this is the first time in hundreds of years this happened (all previous studies showed the opposite effect), so it is likely an anomaly. And that it is based on a study that hasn't even been released yet, conducted by some professor in New Zealand, who himself says more data is needed.
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Can't say i know much about the topic at hand. (Lack of intelligence?)
But after reading, or trying to get through some of the posts, one thing becomes clear to me: Not convinced one way or the other about how intelligent your average lady is, but women DEFINITELY have 9 kavim of speech.
As opposed to, for instance, poppa bar abba & MCP (are you both men?) who can sum up the results of all their research in one concise sentence.Posted 10 months ago # -
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/interesting-study-possibly-pro-black-hats
Is there something there that will make men better???
Posted 10 months ago # -
@yekke2 i can elaborate more but there is a very simple answer - no
@shlishi the disparity between men's and women's results in the iq tests have been decreasing over the years so this is not as much of an "anomaly" as people would like to believe.
Posted 10 months ago # -
The title of this thread is VERY offensive..it should be changed...to maybe...:
Why we know women are more intelligent than men
that makes ALOT more sensePosted 10 months ago # -
Other than the anomaly of that still unreleased study by some New Zeland professor that you referenced, all the previous studies have shown a disparity of IQ between men and women, with men consistently higher with a stable differential.
Posted 10 months ago # -
"why are men more intelligent than women"
Why is the pope always a catholic? I dunno.
Posted 10 months ago # -
hmmm. The latest studies show women's IQs to be about 5 points higher than men's. (maybe you all have been reading the news from right to left!)
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farrock: It's not studies, but rather one unreleased recent study by a professor in New Zealand (brought up by jbaldy above) that is at odds with all previous studies, and the professor himself saying more data is needed. I addressed the anomaly.
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Think about it this way: if someone were to raise 30 boys and 30 girls and teach them the exact same things (in the same way) for their entire life, give them tests and find out their IQ.... Could you really say that the boys are smarter? I think not!
One may only be able to say that guys know physics or calculus or whatever because they (wanted to and) learned it, but a girl has the same brain capabilities and can learn/retain as much knowledge as any man. (if not more.) No matter how many studies are done, no one can actually generalize and say for sure that one gender is smarter or dumber than another.
And even if some men were smarter in one area, woman are smarter in the other.
BTW the professors were male. Find me a female proffesor that will prove her gender is dumb!Posted 8 months ago # -
Look people, after some more life experience, you will learn they are not!
Posted 8 months ago # -
You may want to google this
"Women Beat Men on IQ Tests For First Time"Posted 8 months ago # -
To even mention Hawking in the same breath as Rav Moshe Feinstein is really tooo much. The superlative intellect of the Rav is already established.
Hawking has firmly established his deficit by his heretical phrases. He just doesn’t “get it” (doesn’t know). The second reason that this is not good is that has made it public.
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