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The OU and the Temple Institute


By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for the Five Towns Jewish Times

Yesterday, the Orthodox Union released a statement supporting the campaign of the Temple Institute Organization in their demands of the Knesset regarding the Temple Mount. UPDATE: THE OU ISSUED A CLARIFICATION: “The OU was neither endorsing entry upon the Har Habayit nor addressing the dispute surrounding the halachic permissibility of ascending the Har Habayit.” Respectfully, and to be clear, there wasn’t a “halachic position taken by the organization’s leadership” and the OU didn’t release “a statement supporting the campaign of the Temple Institute Organization.” The Temple Institute has been demanding equal freedom of prayer and visitation rights for Jewish visitors at the Temple Mount.

While the sentiment that lies behind the OU statement is certainly laudable, the halachic position taken by the organization’s leadership lies in stark contrast to the position of the great Poskim of the generation, both who are still living and those who have passed on. The OU’s statement follows a similar statement released by the RCA approximately one year ago.

With due respect, it is this author’s opinion that the OU statement should be rescinded. The Temple Institute’s platform, which certainly l’shaim shamayim, is a position that is against what most of Poskim, Roshei Yeshiva and Gedolim hold.

What follows is a Halachic analysis of why we should not, at this point, be praying on Har HaBayis. It is written with due respect for the Rabbis who feel that it is permitted to go up on Har HaBayis. Nonetheless, we cannot allow our ahavah for Eretz Yisroel obscure our thinking. The greatest of our Gedolim have forbidden treading upon Har HaBayis and we must endeavor to understand the reasoning behind it.

WHY IS IT CALLED HAR HABAYIS?

Har HaBayis is certainly the holiest place in our physical universe. Its name is not, however, a recent appellation. Where then does the name actually come from?

The Rash in his commentary on the Mishnah (Midos 2:1) presents the most likely answer. He writes that the name “Har HaBayis” is based upon a verse in Isaiah (2:2). The verse states, “Nachon yiheye har bais hashem b’rosh heharim – The mountain of Hashem will be on mountaintops.”

WHERE IS IT LOCATED?

In order to determine whether we may enter Har HaBayis, we must first get a background in the geography of the area and where Har HaBayis is located, and then some of the history.

THE GEOGRAPHY

The Kidron Valley, Nachal Kidron, is the valley on the eastern side of the Old City of Jerusalem. It is a key valley. The Kidron Valley separates Har HaBayis from Har HaZeisim.

This valley continues eastward through the Judean Desert, toward the Dead Sea. It travels some 20 miles. It also descends a total of 4000 feet along the way.

In TaNach, the Kidron Valley is called “Emek Yehoshafat” or Valley of Jehosophat. It appears in the prophecies of Klal Yisroel regarding Moshiach, which include the return of Eliyahu HaNavi, followed by the arrival of Mashiach, and Milchemes Gog uMagog, and Judgment Day.

The Tyropoeon Valley (also known as the “Valley of the Cheesemakers”) is the name given by Josephus the historian (Wars of the Jews 5:140) to the valley within the Old City of Jerusalem. Once, this valley separated Har haBayis from Har Tzion Zion and emptied into the valley of Hinnom. The Tyropoeon Valley is now completely filled up with debris, and a plain of sorts. It is spanned by bridges including Zion Bridge. The bridges were the method of communication between Herod’s palace on Har Tzion and the Bais HaMikdash.

So where is Har HaBayis? It is what forms the northern portion of the narrow part of that hill that slopes from the north to the south. It rises above the Kidron Valley to the east and Tyropoeon Valley to the west. The slope from north to south is very sharp.

The peak of Har HaBayis reaches a height of 2,428 feet above sea level.

THE HISTORY

In around the year 19 BCE, Herod the Great extended the natural plateau of Har HaBayis by enclosing the area with four massive retaining walls and filling up the areas with earth and rocks.

THE TRAPEZOID PLATFORM

This artificial expansion resulted in a large flat area. This flat area is now what makes up the eastern section of the Old City of Jerusalem. The trapezoid shaped platform measures a total of 37 acres. Its dimensions are 488 meters on the west side, 470 meters on the east side, 315 meters on the north and 280 meters on the south side. In total it is approximately 150,000 square meters.

The northern wall of the Temple Mount, together with the northern section of the Kosel, is hidden behind buildings.

The southern section of the western side is open and is the Kosel as we know it. The plaza behind the Kosel was made by the Jerusalem city planners, after we had recaptured eastern Yerushalayim after the 1967 war.

THE RETAINING WALLS

The retaining walls on these northern and western sides go down many meters below the ground. A northern portion of wall on the west may be seen from within the Western Wall Tunnel, which was recently excavated through some of the buildings.

On the southern and eastern sides the retaining walls are almost completely visible to their full original height. The platform itself was separated from the rest of the Old City by the Tyropoeon Valley. This valley is no longer the deep valley it was, however.

THE PLATFORM

The platform can be reached through a street in the Muslim Quarter called “Bridge Street” – a funny name. Presumably it is called that because it is a street on a huge bridge but the area that was below the bridge was filled up. However, you can still see that it was once a bridge from the view in the Western Wall Tunnel.

Now let’s get to the Halachic part.

WHY MOST POSKIM FORBID

As mentioned in the beginning of this article, most major poskim forbid walking on Har HaBayis nowadays. Some Rabbis disagree with them, however. Those Rabbis who permit it draw a distinction between the current area of the Temple Mount and the dimensions of Har HaBayis that are discussed in the mishnah in Midos (2:1).

DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE MISHNA AND NOW

The mishnah tells us that Har HaBayis is 500 amos by 500 amos. The current area of Har HaBayit is 1,601 feet by 1,542 feet. On the north–south side, it is less (1,033 and 919 feet).

The first supposition that those who permit it make is that the current state of Har HaBayis is that it is double the size of what is mentioned in the mishnah.

TWO PROBLEMS

There are two problems with this:

Firstly, Torah sources sometimes round off or approximate measurements. The number 500 by 500 can certainly be an approximation. It also may be a total square ammahage, so to speak.

The second problem is that we do not know the exact dimensions of an amah. Some say it is 18 inches; others say 21.25 inches or 23 inches; and a good argument can be made that it is less than 18 inches as well.

For 18 inches

1067 Amos by 1028 688 by 612

For 21.25 Rav Moshe 1.77 feet

904.5 Amos by 871 amos 583 by 519

For 23 inches chazon ish 1.92

833 Amos by 803 538 by 479

Another issue is that the midos discussed in the Mishna may not have included the thickness of the wall either which may have been 27 feet thick according to some sources – this could make it better or make it worse.

RAV RIKKI’S VIEW

There is also the view of Rav Emanuel Rikki in his Aderes Eliyahu in a Kuntrus Mei Niddah #37 that for Kodesh an Ammah is different – it is an Ammah and 2/3. Now we may think that this ridiculous, but Rav Rikki is one of the fundamental sfarim in Kabbalah. The Gra held very very much of him. If Rav Rikki is correct than we have to re-analyze what Herod did exactly and the expansions that he made.

A NEW ISSUR

The second supposition made by those who permit entry onto Har HaBayit is that Rashi’s p’shat in the Gemara in Yevamos (7b) is in error. Most Poskim contend, however, that Rashi’s p’shat is the authoritative understanding of the underlying issue, and has been the normative halachah for many centuries.

But let’s give a brief background.

Yehoshafat, the king of Yehudah, was under intense pressure. The powerful armies of Ammon, Moav, and Seir had combined forces to attack Eretz Yisrael (see Divrei HaYamim II 20:5).

WHAT IS CHATZER CHADASH?

Frightened, Yehoshafat turned to Hashem, declared a fast, and gathered the people to Yerushalayim to the Beis HaMikdash to daven fervently to Hashem. He davened in the “new courtyard.”

There are three interpretations to the term “new courtyard.”

The RaDak and Metzudas Dovid both suggest that it is possible that some sort of improvement was made in the courtyard.

The Gemara in several places, according to Rashi, tells us that there was a new enactment involving the Beis HaMikdash, promulgated at that very time, forbidding a t’vul yom from entering into the Camp of the Levi’im—the Temple Mount. This additional enactment endowed the entire Makom HaMikdash with a higher level of sanctity. The term “new courtyard” refers to this new enactment, and the courtyard that is referenced is the entire area.

The third interpretation is that the “new courtyard” refers to the ezras nashim only.

AUTHORITATIVE PSHAT

The Kaftor Vaferach (a Rishon who tells us the minhagim of the Jews in Eretz Yisrael and the Makom HaMikdash) in chapter six tells us that Jews observe the second definition of “new courtyard” as being the exact walls of the then current Har HaBayit. Since he lived in the 1300s, the reference is to our contemporary wall dimensions.

The Teshuvas Ramoh (#25) cites this ruling as authoritative and, until very recently, it has always been observed.

The Sefer HaManhig (s.v. “Baal keri”), citing the rulings of the Geonim, explains that it was only during the Temple times that a t’vul yom could immerse and wait a day. However, nowadays, when it is impossible to rid ourselves of the impurity of the dead, removing the tumah of baal keri is impossible while we still retain the impurity of the dead.

Why?

Because regarding a tvul yom it says uvah hashemesh v’taher – he needs to be completely tahor and on account of the fact that nowadays we have no way to purify, this person cannot, because he is still tamei mais. Let’s not forget, however, that in the times of the Mishna and the early Yerushalmi there was still a way to be metahair. It was only lost much later.

So even though the mishnah in Keilim indicates that the impurity of the dead does not necessarily directly impinge upon going onto Har HaBayit itself, it does do so by not allowing our tumas keri to be completely removed.

THE SEFER HAMANHIG AND THOSE THAT
ADVOCATE TREADING UPON HAR HABAYIS

Those that advocate treading upon Har HaBayit either disagree with this Sefer HaManhig, with the Geonim he cites, or have figured some other reading of this Sefer HaManhig.

This position fits the normative practice cited in Rav Ovadiah Bartenura’s letter to his father that Jews would not go up to Har HaBayit even if the Muslims would have allowed them (the letter is cited in the responsa by Dayan Weiss).

[It should be noted that Rav Moshe Feinstein I.M. O.C. vol. II #113 does seem to disagree with the Sefer HaManhig’s understanding of undoing impurity, but the other issues are still relevant. Also, most of the other poskim seem to abide by the Sefer HaManhig.]

HIGHER THAN IT WAS

A third supposition that is made is that the area of Har haBayis has placed layer after layer and it is much higher than it was originally. The gemorah in Psachim 85b cites Rav as ruling that Gagin v’aliyos lo niskadshu.. Rashi explains that this refers to the roofs of Yerushalayim regarding kedushas yerushalayim for kadshim kalim or to the lishkos of the azarah roofs. In Shavuos 17b Rashi writes that the gagin and alitos were never sanctified just the floors up to the roofs.

There are a number of answers to this. The first is that this concept is misunderstood because this refers to the original buildings. However, after the buildings are gone, the floored area still has kedusha and therefore when a building is built afterward the kedusha is not blocked. This is clear in the Radbaz itself siman 691. Furthermore Rav Zelig Reuvain Bengis in liflagos Reuvain volume 6 (bio) writes that this is only when there was a space, but if it is made of solid material there is still kedusha there.

Some, believe it or not, question the whole archaeology of it because it says, “aru aru ad hayesod bah – destroy it, destroy it until its very foundation.” They suggest that it is not higher than it was originally.

THE AL SAKARA AND THE EVEN SHESIYA

Another supposition made by those who advocate going onto Har HaBayit is that their measurements are accurate based upon the idea that the current rock known as the al Sakara is one and the same as the Even Shesiya discussed in the mishnah in Yuma. Many Torah authorities as well as secular archaeologists question this identification.

Some say that it is the Makom HaMizbeach (Rav Goren). Others say that it is the Even shesiya.

When the second Bais HaMikdash was built, why did they need neviim to establish it? Why couldn’t they calculate based upon the Even shesiya? This question is brought down in the Sefer Avodah Tamah.

But even if it is the Even shesiya, where was the even shesiya in terms of the Beis HaMikdash? Was it in the center, the west side of it or the east side of it? Perhaps this was the safaik that they had when they built the second bais haMikdash and now it is known. The problem with this is that the debate is still after Bais HaMikdash #2.

Another problem is that the water coming in, which was used as a mikvah for purifying does not match this place as the even shesiya and drawing from it would produce the problem of drawn water.- mayim she-uvim. There are a few solutions to this but who knows which one is true.

While some of those who advocate going onto the Temple Mount cite the Radbaz (responsa #691), who does make this identification with the even shesiya, there are some very serious discrepancies in the responsa of the Radbaz that have been pointed out by the leading poskim of the generation, including Rav Ovadiah Yoseph, Rav Waldenberg, zt’l (Tzitz Eliezer vol. X #1), and Dayan Weiss (vol. V #1).

When dealing with an issue of Kareis the custom in K’lal Yisrael has always been to be stringent. Here we have three leading poskim who tell us with very stern warnings, “Stay Away!” Also, when it was first recaptured in 1967, a letter went out signed by 52 of the top Poskim in eretz Yisroel. Why ignore them?

A fourth assumption made by those who advocate treading upon Har HaBayit is based upon an old picture that was found of Har HaBayit. The assumption is that the raised platform in the photo is the actual Har HaBayit referred to in the mishnah.

There are further indications from various sources in the Acharonim that the walls extend past the areas pointed to in the picture (Pe’as HaShulchan by a student of the Vilna Gaon, Rav Yisroel of Shklov, Eretz Yisrael 3; addendum to Kaftor Vaferach).

Many of those whose opinions promote going onto Har HaBayit do rely to some degree on the opinion of the Raavad, who rules that the sanctity of the Temple Mount is not as in force as it was when the Temple stood. Rambam, of course, disagrees, and the Mishnah Berurah and magain avrohom 561:2 rule fully in accordance with the Rambam.

This is also the overwhelming opinion of the Rishonim – I will list them: Sefer HaTruma in his Hilchos eretz yisroel, SMag mitzvas assei 163 – he writes that what made it kadosh was the shechina and that never gets undone, whereas other issues were kadsh only leshaasa – a kivush for example regarding trumos and maasrosm Rashi avoda zara 13a venishchatai mishchat – we are obligated on shechutei chutz mideoraisa nowadays – like the rambam, Rash miShantz shviis 6:1, Tosfos Yuma 44a, shvuos 14b, Tosfos HaRosh yevamos 82b – gives a reason because it is called a nachalah which can never be undone, Yereim siman 277, Chinuch in ten different places 284, Tashbatz vol III #201, Rashba megillah daf yud , Ramban shavuos 14b, Ritvah Megillah 10b, and Kaftor vaFerach. Plus, we have the opinion that the Raavad was only referring to the deoraisa aspect of things but miderabanan he was machmir.

Who, among the Rishonim, says like the Raavad? There is one tzad in the meiri like this, but elsewhere he says that the psak is like the Rambam.

There is also the notion fund in Rav Chaim Soloveitchik that there are, two dinim in the kedusha and the Raavad was only referring to the kareis din but the other din of kedusha is still in effect even though there is no karais.

There is also the issue of whether everyone in contemporary times has the halachic status of a zav. Both Dayan Weiss and the Tzitz Eliezer rule that everyone does. Those who advocate for treading on Har HaBayit disagree with this contention.

Finally, Rav Kook (Mishpat HaKohein #96) himself writes that even according to the view of the Raavad, there is still a Rabbinic prohibition of entering the Temple Mount. He explains that Chazal felt that the reverence and respect for the Makom HaMikdash is greater in not going there, than in visiting it. Modern advocates of treading on Har HaBayit indicate that Rav Kook would have changed his mind if he had been given their new evidence. But intellectual honesty would yield quite a different theory.

harhabayitIn short, the overwhelming view of poskim, chareidi and otherwise, simply do not agree that Jews may, or should, go up to Har HaBayit. While the sentiment is certainly understood, and one cannot fault those who genuinely believe that it is halachically permitted, it is still a very serious issue.

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25 Responses

  1. This is an excellent analysis, but I am not sure that the OU holds that you are allowed to go up there maybe they are just fighting for rights of yidden to go up there or not being attacked.I think Rav Belsky would hold that it is assur to go up and probably rav schachter.Does anyone now what Rav schacter holds?

  2. Rav Shachter, says technically aliyah to the Temple Mount complex is allowed, but does not want to cross the Chief Rabbinate on this issue, so he won’t endorse it. If you search the YUTorah website for his Q&A at Lev Hatorah, the audio is there.

  3. The decision of the OU is commendable since it calls for a stop
    Of HARASSMENT , INCITEMENT & PREJUDICE of Jews who are in the area of Har Habayit.

  4. This is a phenomenal analysis Yashar Coach to the Rav

    There is a reason that it says Aseh Lecha Rav

    My Rav permits and I therefore plan to go up at some point. Some major halachic giants do permit and in fact encourage it.
    In my opinion and i have seen it somewhere if we REALLY wanted Moashiach wed beclamouring in the thousands to pray there

  5. “The decision of the OU is commendable since it calls for a stop Of HARASSMENT , INCITEMENT & PREJUDICE of Jews who are in the area of Har Habayit”

    If they hold one isn’t allowed to go there then sorry, it isn’t commendable to ask for it to be made easier to do something assur.

  6. Amazing article, thank you Rabbi Hoffman. This whole OU thing doesn’t make sense, I’m sure they’ll come out my with a clarification soon.

  7. I think that every Yeshiva high school Rebbe whose school is still in session should print this article out to teach the talmidim about this very very important sugyah.

  8. #5: If there’s a store that refuses to sell milk to Jews, I should be OK with that, just because I hold cholov yisroel lechumrah and the Jews who want to shop there hold by cholov stam?

  9. If you break the law, can I break your arm? Even if the OU maintains it is 100% forbidden to ascend the har habayis, it is not the place of the arabs to harrass and incite violence against those who do.

  10. first, i enjoyed this article the first time it was released last year and titled “the rca and har habayis.”

    second, the ou fights for religious freedom, period. just because it supports a woman’s right to wear a hijab to work does not mean the ou advocates that muslims, jews or anyone else should wear a hijab. the ou’s support of the halal slaughter does not mean the ou believes we should replace shchita with halal. we all get this.

    third, i am sure the ou also have talmidei chachomim almost as great as rabbi hoffman who guide them. there is nothing wrong with rabbi hoffman advocating for his halachic opinion but often rabbi hoffman crosses the line and attempts to portray issues as one sided with total disregard to opposing views. this is not atypical of chofetz chaim musmuchim but annoying still. only we know how to learn and no one else does. please.

  11. Why is this called an “analysis” when it only presents one side?

    Wouldn’t an “analysis” mean that one weighs as well opinions other than one’s own?

    Perhaps it’s true that “most” Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbonim do not allow it, but there are many who do.

    Those who permit have actually ANALYZED the matter.

    They take into account archaeological evidence not known to previous generations and also take into account the increased importance of establishing a presence on Har HaBayis at a time when our claims to it are open to question.

    Rabbi Hoffman is free to disagree with these Roshei Yeshiva and poskim, but why is he free to ignore them, as if their arguments do not exist?

    (And despite analyzing nothing, call his piece an “analysis”?)

  12. #11, this certainly is an “analysis” and both sides are provided. Rabbi Hoffman constantly cites the position of the Matirim, however, the bottom line is that due to the uncertainty, we should not put ourselves in a position where Kareis applies.

  13. For some reason the editors erased my response. I will therefore write most of it again. By the way I will be ascending tomorrow to Har habayit . I will say a tefilah for all. There are two questions everyone must ask. 1) when will it be muttur to go up? If the answer is mashiach then one has to explain where does it say we can push off 200 mitzvot until Mashiach. Two, where is the greatest chilul Hashem today? If your answer is Har Habayit , then you are correct and you must then answer what is our obligation to remove this chilul Hahsem. Chodesh Tov

    Moderators Note: Sure. Because in your last comment you were an outright mechutzaf to the Poskei Hador, whom you called “lazy” among some other choice thoughts not to be mentioned here. Maran Rav Elyashiv lazy? 100-years-old and up at 4AM learning with the same hasmada of a 20 year old yeshiva bochur. “Lazy”? You call the holy man in this hidden video LAZY? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0oCsMOn8w

    Despicable.

  14. The real problem is that the OU never said it is permissible. Rabbi Hoffman just didn’t like their wording, which again never gave a heter.

    Moderators Note: Actually, the Temple Institute is the one who did that. The organization promoting the Har HaBayit agenda. No reason to place the blame on someone else.

  15. I never mentioned Rav Elyashiv as he never even wrote a Teshuvah about Har Habayit. ( see kol meheical where Rav nevenzal admits that Rav Elyashiv never wrote anything about going up to Har Habayit). Regarding what I said about “lazy Rabbis” was a general point,that it is easier to Assur something then find a solution to make it muttur. My comment l”lazy Rabbis” is taken from both the Rambam in the iggrot as well as the Eim Hanim smechah, Rav Teictal who lambast those who push off mitzvot to the time of Moshiach.

  16. To #12:
    I wrote that Rabbi Hoffman is entitled to disagree with those who permit going up to Har HaBayis, but he should at least quote their arguments and explain why he thinks they’re wrong.

    You wrote that, in fact, “both sides are provided. Rabbi Hoffman constantly cites the position of the Matirim.”

    Perhaps, for the benefit of YWN readers and myself, you could therefore summarize, based on this essay, what Rav Yakov Medan’s, Rav Shlomo Levi’s, Rav Mazuz’s, Rav Dov Lior’s, and Rav Nachum ELiezer Rabinovich’s halachic arguments are for allowing entry to certain parts of Har HaBayis today.

    (Again, if someone wishes to follow the Gedolim who don’t allow it, that’s perfectly legitimate. However, don’t say you’re doing so is because you have “analyzed” the arguments and evidence.)

  17. #8 + #9 sorry – if something is issur kares then they have no right to make it easier for people to do the issur.

    (The same way they wouldn’t provide security guards to a restaurant on yom kippur to enable those jews who would like to buy food to do so.)

  18. Perhaps YWN might publish the actual analysis of those rabbis who permit ascending Har Habayit instead of leaving the representation of that position to a member of the opposite camp. I am sure that the learned author is very well intentioned but he has not remotely presented the actual learned analysis of the other side. At the end of the day everyone will follow their rabbis but a sight called ‘The Yeshiva World’ can and should fairly present the shakla vetaria to the tzibbur, lehagdil torah ulehaadir.

  19. #18 – A site called ‘The Yeshiva World’ should represent the Yeshivish world’s view that it is assur.

  20. #18- A significant portion of the yeshiva world holds that it is muttar and a portion of it even holds that it is desirable. I’m sure that in the many hours a day that you dedicate to limud torah you study various opinions on each sugyah, including opinions that you do not pasken according to and that you manage to do so without sneering at or denigrating those opinions or the rabbis that hold them.

  21. Who cares what the OU holds? Rav Belsky Shlita and Rav Shachter Shlita don’t speak for the OU as an ORGANIZATION. They are in the Kashrus office.

    The RCA probably speaks more for the OU ORGANIZATION.

  22. Abba,

    You keep spouting about 200 mitzvos you can do on Har HaBayis. I would like to know what they are, as of 129aEDT on June 17.

    Here’s one for you…. IT’S A CHIUYV KARES NO MATTER WHAT TIME IT IS AS LONG AS THE MIKDASH ISN’T THERE.

  23. Hi Mark Levin. Not sure I understand your statement. ” When the Mikdash is there” does that mean there will be no Karet? As far as I understood the Rambam Hilcot Biat hamikdash 3:4 On Har Habyit you can bring even a dead person. The Azarah has a higher Kedusha and only one who is not Tami met can go on the Azarah, assuming there is no other need to go there such as a war or to fix it up or to build the bet hamikdash. All of these halachot apply today. Therefore, there is no Karet on Har habyit. No one can argue with the Rambam.

    Don’t know if you are married, but everyone who is married has to deal with a safek Karet at least once a month. This fact, doesn’t stop people from getting married.

    As far as the 200 mitzvot, you can read them in the 5 books of Moses. Many are in vayikrah. The rambam in sefer hamitzvot klal 3 says that all of the 613 mitzvot he lists are L’edorot meaning for all generations, They are eternal.

    Not sure why you are so vindictive about not fulfilling 200 of Hashem’s mitzvot, but maybe that is the exact problem with those who say its assur to go up to Har Habyit.

  24. Mark Levin- “IT’S A CHIUYV KARES NO MATTER WHAT TIME IT IS AS LONG AS THE MIKDASH ISN’T THERE.”
    I do not advocate going up on Har Habayis Ch’V but your statement is just not true could even be Bal Tosif. Not one Rav/gadol will tell you it is a issur Kareis. They will say a Sofek Issur at best. It is a Machlokes Rishonim if you can go Mamish bmakom Hamikdash Bzman Hazeh and lets just say we go 100% like the Osrim no one will tell you that the parts of Har Habayis that certain (wrong) Jew walk on now were definitely part of the Azarah just it’s a sofek so we do not go up. But to make it into something it is not is wrong (this is why Rav Elyashiv was opposed to going up because it would incite the Arabs not because of this issue).

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