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    SQUARE_ROOT
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    QUESTION:

    What did Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA say about the modern State of Israel?
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    ANSWER:

    Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA said these statements about the modern State of Israel:
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    from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 13, page 321:

    “He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] assured [Prime Minister] Rabin…
    that he could always count on Agudath Israel of America
    to be strongly supportive of Israel’s security needs.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This is the 1st quote of 4, which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
    was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
    was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 15, page 356:

    “Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer responded at length.
    He pointed out that the opposition to religious umbrella groups
    did not preclude Jews joining together on issues as
    Israel’s security or combating anti-Semitism.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This is the 2nd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
    was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
    was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 545:

    “Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer’s summary of a confidential
    June 17, 1970 [CE] meeting with Israel’s
    Ambassador to Washington Yitzchak Rabin
    reflects his lifelong approach to Israel’s security needs.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This is the 3rd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
    was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
    was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 546:

    The offer of political support Rabbi Sherer made
    to Yitzchak Rabin was one he would repeat
    on many occasions to Israeli leaders.

    In a 1981 [CE] letter to Israeli Ambassador Ephraim Efron,
    for instance, he described Agudath Israel’s grassroots
    constituency as a “reservoir of manpower which is
    totally committed to the safety and security of Israel.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This is the 4th quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
    was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
    was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:

    During the 1991 [CE] Gulf War, Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer
    spoke on the phone to [Mr. Yisrael] Katsover
    [a longtime military reporter] almost every day:

    “He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] didn’t sleep.
    Every missile that fell [on Israel] was a cut in his own skin.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    At that time, Israel was a Secular Zionist state with
    a Secular Zionist majority and Secular Zionist leaders!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:

    In a fascinating letter to Rabbi Menachem Porush,
    written half a year after Israel’s dramatic victory
    in the Six-Day War [in year 1967 CE], Rabbi Sherer
    agreed “that what transpired were great miracles.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This short quote proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
    disagreed with those who said that Israel’s dramatic victory
    in the Six-Day War resulted from the sitra achra (satanic forces).

    Rabbi Menachem Porush was a member of Knesset for Agudath Israel
    between 1959 and 1975 CE, and again from 1977 until 1994 CE.
    The Jewish Press published Rabbi Porush’s articles hundreds of times.
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:

    “Such a committee of investigation would have served
    as a ploy to unseat Prime Minister Menachem Begin,
    for whom both the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah
    of America and that of Eretz Yisrael had great respect.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This short quote proves that the Gedolim had
    “great respect” for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin,
    even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a Secular Zionist state!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547, footnote 9:

    When Rabbi Porush conveyed these sentiments to Rabbi Shach,
    the latter responded, “We must pray for the health of
    [Prime Minister Menachem] Begin. Please phone [Menachem]
    Begin immediately and tell him that I pray for him constantly.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This short quote proves that Rabbi Shach ZTL ZYA prayed for
    Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin, “constantly”,
    even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a secular Zionist state!
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 549:

    Rabbi Sherer’s constant concern with the physical
    well-being and safety of the Jews of Eretz Yisrael
    was a direct outgrowth of everything he had learned
    from Rabbi Aharon Kotler during the wartime rescue work.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    Rabbi Sherer was constantly concerned with
    the safety of the Jews of Eretz Yisrael,
    even though most of them were secular, at that time.
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    from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
    of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 552:

    “…secular Israeli officials viewed Rabbi Sherer
    one of the major American Jewish leaders,
    and highly valued his eagerness to assist Israel…”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This short quote proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer was
    EAGER to assist Israel, even though Israel was a
    Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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    SOURCE: “Rabbi Sherer: the paramount Torah spokesman of our era
    by Yonasan Rosenblum, Mesorah Publications, Brooklyn, NY, year 2010 CE,
    ISBN-10: ‎1422609448 & ISBN-13: ‎978-1422609446
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    NOTE: This book was published with a Foreword by Rabbi Shimshon Sherer.

    NOTE: Rabbi Nosson Scherman and Rabbi Meir Zlotowitz
    of ArtScroll were very close to Rabbi Moshe Sherer for decades.

    NOTE: Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA lived from 1921 CE to 1998 CE.

    NOTE: Please feel free to copy my quotes to your computer, for future reference.
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    “Throughout his career Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer strongly
    supported the State of Israel and advocated on its behalf.”

    SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Sherer
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    FULL DISCLOSURE:

    Rabbi Moshe Sherer was a life-long opponent of Zionism.

    Yet even as a life-long anti-Zionist, he ALWAYS
    advocated for the security of the State of Israel,
    and NEVER said that the State of Israel should be dismantled.

    When the United Nations Organization proclaimed [falsely] that:
    “Zionism is Racism”, Rabbi Moshe Sherer correctly interpreted
    that false proclamation as an attack against ALL JEWS.
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    PERSONAL COMMENTS:

    [1] Rabbi Moshe Sherer never said that the State of Israel should be dismantled.

    [2] Rabbi Moshe Sherer never said that Religious Zionists were idol-worshippers.

    [3] Rabbi Moshe Sherer never marched with terrorists, like the Neturei Karta do.

    [4] Rabbi Moshe Sherer never waved the Palestinian Flag, like the Neturei Karta do.

    [5] Rabbi Moshe Sherer cared deeply about
    the security of Israel, for many years, even though
    Israel was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!

    [6] PLEASE DO NO LISTEN to Rabbi Moshe Sherer,
    just because he was very close to many Gedolim
    and tzaddikim for approximately half a century.

    [7] PLEASE DO NO LISTEN to Rabbi Moshe Sherer,
    just because he always did what the Gedolim
    told him to do, throughout his entire lifetime.

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    PS: If you doubt that my quotes are accurate,
    then I invite you to find a copy of the book that I mentioned,
    and turn to the chapter number and page numbers that I mentioned.
    You will then see with your own eyes that my quotes are 100% accurate.

    The book that I quoted can be purchased from:
    www (dot) ArtScroll (dot) com
    www (dot) ebay (dot) com
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    #2403278
    ujm
    Participant

    Supporting its security from Arab terrorism and war is not support for Zionism or the State. Far from it.

    #2403330
    HaKatan
    Participant

    More Zionism from SQUARE_ROOT:
    “In a fascinating letter to Rabbi Menachem Porush, written half a year after Israel’s dramatic victory in the Six-Day War [in year 1967 CE], Rabbi Sherer
    agreed “that what transpired were great miracles.”

    PERSONAL COMMENT:
    This short quote proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer disagreed with those who said that Israel’s dramatic victory in the Six-Day War resulted from the sitra achra (satanic forces).””

    Obviously, Agudah lay leaders’ opinions are not relevant when they conflict with the Torah sages’ opinion, as is the case with the footnotes. Regardless, as to the above quotes, if he said that then he was basing himself on the Zionist lies and propaganda of the day, as the Zionist victory in their war of 1967, as even the Zionist historians admit, was never in doubt and also quite un-miraculous. In the footnotes at the end, you claim that this Agudah lay leader held the opposite of what all the gedolim held, despite your trumpeting how close to gedolim he was throughout his life. Obviously, either you’re mistaken about what he held (regardless of what any book claims he held), or he missed what the gedolim held. Rav Elchonon wrote openly in Kovetz Maamarim, and it’s also brought in the Brisker Rav book (and the Brisker Rav actually published in an Israeli newspaper, on which the Gerrer Rebbe and many others signed) that Zionism is idolatry and that “Religious Zionism” is idolatry with the addition of religion. The newspaper Kol Korei quote was that “Religious Zionist” education is a “sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”.

    At least one other “personal comment” is also irrelevant, because no gadol ever stated that the sitra achara was the cause of the Zionists’ victory in their war of 1967. Rather, the Satmar Rav stated that the Zionist victory was decidedly un-miraculous. The sitra achara part of it is only that the Zionists were able to do such damage to Jews and Judaism AS A RESULT OF and IN THE AFTERMATH of that victory.

    Finally, the comments about not doing as do the NK are also irrelevant. The Zionist love to frame their idolatry and lies as a binary of either being pro-Zionist or the alternative of NK. The truth, of course, is that there is the very large middle ground between those two approaches, with the Torah’s choice being with neither of those (though the NK are much, much, much closer to the truth than are the Zionists).

    Eileh elohecha, Zionists.

    #2403567
    SB613
    Participant

    Dude
    You have way to much time on your hands

    #2403850

    HaKatan, your frequent posts achieve the opposite result – instead of increasing respect to gedolim like R Elchonon,
    you make him into a political figure whose mission of life, Ch’V was to protect Zionism. I suggest you start posting
    some of the R Elchonon’s Torah, his yeshiva building efforts, etc so that the readers start taking him in context of his achievements and positions.

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