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longarekel
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Thank you C.G. It’s nice to know someone agrees with my point of view. As far as jewish sovereignty however, it’s a bit tricky. As per the shvua not to fordefully take control of Eretz Yisrael it would seem that if the current non-jewish nation(at any given time)would give over control of the country to a jewish government, that would not be called taking Eretz Yisrael by force. Since the British government who ruled Eretz Yisrael at the time gave over control to a jewish government that would not violate the shvua. The Balfour declaration is meaningless in this regard. What matters is the opinion and consent of the ruling power over Eretz Yisrael, not the opinion or consent of any other nation. At the same time the opinion and objection of neighboring(arab) countries is also irrelevant. This is what happened in the begining of the bayis sheni when Coresh of Persia who was the ruler of Eretz Yisrael at the time, gave over control of Eretz Yisrael to the jewish nation. This is why when the greeks later threatened to take over Eretz Yisrael the jews fought back and were not compelled by means of the shvua to give the country to the greeks. The same reasoning applied later when the romans invaded. Therefore there are only two options. Either all shomrei torah leave Eretz Yisrael or the current government does teshuva, gets rid of democracy, and runs the country according to the torah. If this teshuva takes place and the country becomes a holy Eretz Yisrael, jewish sovoreignty will have every right according to the torah to exist in Eretz Yisrael. This is what may actually happen sometime in the future but until it does one should live elsewhere.