ROB, the only thing impossible about it is trying to reason with you and some others among the Zionist-indoctrinated mass.
But, in truth, “Kol HaPosel BiMumo Posel”. It is you who are desperately trying to defend the impossible to defend.
Again, “As the Brisker Rov stated, The State of Israel was the Satan’s greatest triumph since the Egel.”
You’re bringing emotional sevaras that have no basis in Torah as an attempted proof against the word of virtually all gedolim? That’s not very logical, and certainly not rabbinical.
You wrote:
“If…the establishments of the medinah…is an aveirah, then why is it thriving? The ‘maaseh egel” brought immediate retribution!”
1. Are you proposing that Hashem should have allowed more than the 1% of its population, amounting to thousands of Jews, who died in Israel’s Independence wars?
2. Unfortunately, the punishment of “Ani Mattir es bisarchem kiAylos haSadeh” was quite evident in the 90s and, to a lesser extent, throughout the State’s tragic and very bloody history, Hashem Yishmor.
3. The USSR existed for almost a century. The Holocaust lasted the better part of a decade. Our Galus is millenia old.
Where in the Torah or in its gedolim’s sefarim does it claim that something is a good thing once it has existed for a certain amount of time?
Once again, “As the Brisker Rov stated, The State of Israel was the Satan’s greatest triumph since the Egel.”
Avi: I’m not sure what your quote from Rabbi Kook is supposed to mean, but what are the sources for the others you mentioned?
In any event, whatever he meant is not relevant; see Matisyahu’s post in this thread:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/still-fuming-at-rabbi-belsky-and-mishpacha/page/2
Zionism, regardless of flavor, is wrong and very against the Torah in numerous ways. As Matisyahu mentions in that thread, none of the “Religious Zionists”, including Rabbi Kook, had answers to the gedolim’s points that made it quite obvious that Zionism is Avoda Zara and very wrong.
“Religious Zionism” is, as Rav Elchonon said, Religion and A”Z.
There is no contest, at the end of the day.